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Lincoln Snatches the Nomination: Bare-knuckles politicking enabled the dark horse to win
American Heritage ^ | Harold Holzer

Posted on 05/22/2010 2:31:12 PM PDT by AlanD

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To: Bubba Ho-Tep
Lochlainn Seabrook is some crackpot Lost Cause revisionist who publishes his own crap through a vanity press.

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He should have stuck to children's books. IMHO, of course.

101 posted on 05/24/2010 10:59:04 AM PDT by Non-Sequitur
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To: Non-Sequitur

Sometimes it is not a bad thing to read both sides. You ask, I offered. The letters Lincoln penned are in there.


102 posted on 05/24/2010 11:01:34 AM PDT by Neoliberalnot ((Read "The Grey Book" for an alternative to corruption in DC))
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To: Non-Sequitur

Lochlainn Seabrook is some crackpot Lost Cause revisionist who publishes his own crap through a vanity press.””

The same view is held for many of the northern press writers. Watch the nightly news for crackpots, listen to Barking obama for crackpot writers, and listen to the old media establishment for other crackpots. Name-calling and attacking the messenger is not the issue—that is the liberal approach to all opposition.


103 posted on 05/24/2010 11:04:43 AM PDT by Neoliberalnot ((Read "The Grey Book" for an alternative to corruption in DC))
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To: Neoliberalnot
Sometimes it is not a bad thing to read both sides. You ask, I offered. The letters Lincoln penned are in there.

They're also Here and Here among other places. You can read them complete and unedited.

Though it was nice for Seabrook to take time away from writing about Princess Diana the moon-goddess to entertain us with his spin on Lincoln.

104 posted on 05/24/2010 11:06:40 AM PDT by Non-Sequitur
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To: Neoliberalnot
Name-calling and attacking the messenger is not the issue—that is the liberal approach to all opposition.

All one has to do is read Seabrook's self-review of his book to recognize half a dozen myths right off the bat. Seabrook isn't a messenger, he's a revisionist spinmeister.

105 posted on 05/24/2010 11:08:50 AM PDT by Non-Sequitur
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To: Non-Sequitur

Why take it out on the kids? ;-)


106 posted on 05/24/2010 11:27:01 AM PDT by rockrr (Everything is different now...)
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To: rockrr
Why take it out on the kids? ;-)

Think of it as 'tough love'.

107 posted on 05/24/2010 11:34:08 AM PDT by Non-Sequitur
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To: Non-Sequitur

And which myths would those be? Can you recommend any refeered publications to support your views?


108 posted on 05/24/2010 12:20:52 PM PDT by Neoliberalnot ((Read "The Grey Book" for an alternative to corruption in DC))
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To: Neoliberalnot
What are the myths? Start with these from his website:

For example, far from being the "Great Emancipator," as a lawyer he defended slave owners, helped create laws in Illinois that limited black civil rights, and throughout his entire life lobbied to have all Americans of African descent deported out of the U.S. He was even the head of the Illinois chapter of the American Colonization Society, an organization whose stated mission was to make America white from coast to coast.

During his two terms in office, Lincoln also committed countless crimes, among them starting a war without congressional approval, subverting the Constitution, illegally suspending habeas corpus, shutting down over 300 Northern newspapers, imprisoning or deporting fellow Northerners who advocated peace, and rigging elections. And this is just a partial list!

His partial list is enough to identify his scribblings as a work of fiction.

109 posted on 05/24/2010 12:23:47 PM PDT by Non-Sequitur
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To: Non-Sequitur

“Can you recommend any refeered publications to support your views?”

I wasn’t looking for a website, but something of the sort above—a publication that has passed peer review. Your posting from his website doesn’t do much to prove myth or otherwise.


110 posted on 05/24/2010 12:47:16 PM PDT by Neoliberalnot ((Read "The Grey Book" for an alternative to corruption in DC))
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To: Neoliberalnot
Those are his positions which are in his book which you advocated, so one would expect you to be the one backing him up. And it's all his opinion to begin with. Lincoln lobbied to have all Americans of African descent deported out of the U.S.? His opinion without evidence to back it up. Lincoln committed countless crimes? His opinion. Lincoln subverted the Constitution? His opinion. Lincoln shut down 300 newspapers? Pure B.S. It is a repeat of all the Lost Cause myths, half-truths, and out-and-out lies that have been repeated here time and again.
111 posted on 05/24/2010 12:53:18 PM PDT by Non-Sequitur
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To: CodeToad
CodeToad: "“Soft spoken” is far from a description of humble given his dictatorship and tyrannical actions.
He was a tyrant."

"Soft spoken" is exactly how Lincoln is usually described.

Here is a typical example:

Here is another:

Was Lincoln a "tyrant"?
Only if you define the word "tyrant" to mean, in effect: "any leader I disagree with."
But in fact, Lincoln was no more of a tyrant than, say, Jefferson Davis or any other US war-time president.

In most of our wars, Congress gave a US president as much power as he needed to win it. Lincoln was no exception.

112 posted on 05/24/2010 1:08:31 PM PDT by BroJoeK (a little historical perspective...)
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To: BroJoeK

Read the book: The Real Lincoln.


113 posted on 05/24/2010 1:39:07 PM PDT by CodeToad
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To: Non-Sequitur

Slavery created a lot of problems for not only blacks but for many free whites who didn’t want to have to compete against slave labor along with humanitarian reasons. Wealthy industrialists had no use for slavery either, as they needed educated workers, and slavery created a bad business and moral environment for them.

The only place where slavery was welcome was where it was spectacularly profitable and where an entire economy could be built around it. Tolerating slavery strictly for the benefit of a few rich people who enjoyed having some house slaves was out of the question.

The best place to establish a new slave state in the territories was obviously Kansas, with its farm economy. When Slavery in Kansas crashed and burned, it was obvious that it could not spread anywhere in the existing territories.

Are we supposed to believe that slavery which was soundly rejected in Kansas with a favorable geography, was going to be accepted in a mountain state like Montana or Wyoming?

That idea is ludicrous and Southerners at the time knew it was ludicrous. That is why after Bleeding Kansas, they started really pushing to expand to Central America.


114 posted on 05/24/2010 2:57:58 PM PDT by AlanD
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To: AlanD
That idea is ludicrous and Southerners at the time knew it was ludicrous.

I'd say you have ludicrous down pat.

115 posted on 05/24/2010 3:26:27 PM PDT by Non-Sequitur
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To: CodeToad
Read the book: The Real Lincoln.

For a good belly-laugh, yeah.

116 posted on 05/24/2010 3:27:16 PM PDT by Non-Sequitur
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To: Non-Sequitur

Well, if Lincoln where shown to have mowed down a girl scout troop on the steps of the whitehouse with a machine gun you would make excuses for him, so you’re not much of a reliable critic of any books critical of him.


117 posted on 05/24/2010 3:56:55 PM PDT by CodeToad
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To: CodeToad

Wasn’t that among the many spurious claims that DiLorenzo made?


118 posted on 05/24/2010 4:12:10 PM PDT by rockrr (Everything is different now...)
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To: CodeToad
Well, if Lincoln where shown to have mowed down a girl scout troop on the steps of the whitehouse with a machine gun you would make excuses for him, so you’re not much of a reliable critic of any books critical of him.

And you no doubt already believe that Lincoln gunned down a Girl Scout troop on the steps of the White House, and can no doubt point to half a dozen Lost Cause websites that detail it, so I'd say your no less biased in your way than I am in mine.

119 posted on 05/24/2010 5:21:11 PM PDT by Non-Sequitur
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To: Non-Sequitur

Lincoln advocated having blacks voluntarily move back to Africa, and was shocked that so many blacks refused to.

African-Americans have always complained about racism but not enough to make them want to go back to Africa.


120 posted on 05/24/2010 7:00:16 PM PDT by AlanD
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