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To: Retain Mike
Very well said but a little over my head. As a member of my local city council I stirred up quite a controversy over derivatives we owned.It may or may not have been a mistake but we got out of them. It was to complicated of an issue for laymen in my opinion but at least we did not lose when we got out. On top of that the person in charge of our system had a criminal record. He was there when I was elected.The stock market and investments in general in my opinion take advantage of the little man or the one near the bottom. I transfered some stock to other investments several years back through my IRA and they held the transfer a day longer and it cost me. My company would not help me address the situation and I took a loss but it taught me a lesson. How many of these people profit from both sides of a deal. It is beyond my knowledge but thanks for the input.
8 posted on 05/21/2010 3:53:43 PM PDT by RocketRoland
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To: RocketRoland

I can sympathize. One of the most challenging tasks I had was closing down my father’s estate. He had a living will and the value was small enough I didn’t need a lawyer. Even though this was my professional skill area, the environment was different when you showed up with a $20,000 issue involving him, rather than a $5,000,000 issue involving my college.

I found this among sources I studied for an understanding of derivatives. At the end was a summary giving lessons to be learned. These lessons would always apply regardless of the investment involved. I always said you could consider an investment in the next business cycle and not it’s first where the product, process, and investors had not undergone the shock of a recession.

A Primer on Credit Derivatives
http://www.ermsymposium.org/2009/pdf/2009-darcy-primer-credit.pdf

12. Lessons for Enterprise Risk Management (Applies to anyone in oversight role.)
The rapid growth in credit derivatives and the recent financial crisis caused, at least in part, by these instruments provide several valuable lessons for those involved in Enterprise Risk Management. These include:
1. Manage for risk, not for regulation. Risk does not disappear just because regulations do not recognize it.
2. Understand all the significant risks the organization is assuming. This admonition applies to the chief risk officer, other executives and to board members (yes, city council). If a risk is too complex for its board and officers to understand, the organization should not be accepting that risk.
3. If an organization does not understand an investment it is offered, it should decline. Comprehension cannot be delegated down the hierarchy or to investment advisers.


10 posted on 05/21/2010 7:20:51 PM PDT by Retain Mike
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To: RocketRoland
I will say that after dealing with and firing a couple financial outfits I ended up with Charles Schwab to finally accumulate the assets and make the final estate distributions. I have been with them ever since, and have had consistently good experiences. Just last week they noticed I was accumulating a lot of cash and someone called, not to sell me products, but engaged in a 26 minute discussion about how to use their on line system in relation to my perceptions of risk.
12 posted on 05/21/2010 7:45:19 PM PDT by Retain Mike
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