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To: kenn5
Intellectually incompatible positions to claim to be a follower of Christ and a Libertine at the same time. Cannot be Christian and support this notion of Social Darwinism embraced by the Libertarians. You are your brothers keeper.

The notion that you can do what ever you want, when ever you want with no consequences for your acts nor any responsibility at all to the society around you, which is the basic plank of the Libertarian platform, is not acting in a Christ like fashion.

Platform

National Platform of the Libertarian Party

Adopted in Convention, May 2008, Denver, Colorado Preamble

As Libertarians, we seek a world of liberty; a world in which all individuals are sovereign over their own lives and no one is forced to sacrifice his or her values for the benefit of others.

129 posted on 05/18/2010 5:45:58 PM PDT by MNJohnnie (The problem with Socialism is eventually you run our of other peoples money. Lady Thatcher)
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To: MNJohnnie

“...no one is forced to sacrifice his or her values for the benefit of others.”

That includes Christians not being forced to sacrifice their values,seems to me.


151 posted on 05/18/2010 6:00:23 PM PDT by FreeDeerHawk
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To: MNJohnnie

Intellectually your understanding of libertarianism is sadly deficient. First, there’s no such thing as the Libertine Party. Neither the Libertarian Party nor the libertarian idea has anything to do with libertinism. Libertinism is the absence of moral restraints. Libertarianism is rooted in a strict moral philosophy of just conduct: i.e., that no human being or group of human beings has the right to initiate violence, coercion or fraud.

Your assertion that libertarians think that one can do whatever one wants without consequences is patently false. The whole idea of libertarianism is that individuals face the consequences of their actions for good or ill.

The only thing you have half-right is that Libertarians would not have the State compel individuals to sacrifice their values at the altar of society. However, nowhere does the Gospel instruct the State to force people to sacrifice their values for others. Rather, Christians are instructed in 2 Corinthians 9:7, “So let each one give as he purposes in his heart, not grudgingly or of necessity; for God loves a cheerful giver”.

Oh, and by the way, I refer you Galatians 5:1, “Stand fast in the liberty wherein Christ has set you free.” Sounds kind of like the Apostle Paul thought “liberty” was a good thing.

And, finally, Rand Paul is a Republican, not a member of the Libertarian Party.


192 posted on 05/18/2010 7:07:11 PM PDT by Skepolitic
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To: MNJohnnie

There are millions of libertarians who are not Libertarians.


259 posted on 05/19/2010 6:33:40 AM PDT by Notary Sojac (I've been ionized, but I'm okay now.)
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To: MNJohnnie
The notion that you can do what ever you want, when ever you want with no consequences for your acts nor any responsibility at all to the society around you, which is the basic plank of the Libertarian platform.

"No consequences for your acts..." Do you mean that libertarians believe that they have a right to assault others and steal their property? If so, I don't agree with you.

The famous libertarian "non-initiation of force" axiom seems to refute that notion.

But was that your contention, that libertarians deny the right of all individuals to be free from theft and the initiation of force, and to defend themselves and others from those aggressions?

274 posted on 05/19/2010 1:56:53 PM PDT by secretagent
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To: MNJohnnie
Intellectually incompatible positions to claim to be a follower of Christ and a Libertine at the same time. Cannot be Christian and support this notion of Social Darwinism embraced by the Libertarians. You are your brothers keeper. The notion that you can do what ever you want, when ever you want with no consequences for your acts nor any responsibility at all to the society around you, which is the basic plank of the Libertarian platform, is not acting in a Christ like fashion.

You clearly have no idea of what a libertarian is nor of what a libertarian believes, nor of the implications of libertarian beliefs. No idea. Does it not embarrass you a little to be pontificating on a subject about which you are so howlingly ignorant? You think Jesus thinks it is ok to lie for him, whether you do so deliberately or ignorantly?

281 posted on 05/19/2010 7:00:09 PM PDT by AK_47_7.62x39 (There are many moderate Muslims, but there is no such thing as a moderate Islam. -- Geert Wilders)
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