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1 posted on 05/16/2010 10:22:17 AM PDT by mdittmar
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Isn’t this just another way of saying “we need a civilian security force just as well-funded as our military.”?


29 posted on 05/16/2010 10:45:24 AM PDT by Pantera
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Liberals are fleeing Arizona.
Illegals are fleeing Arizona.
Dopers and dealers are fleeing Arizona.
Alternate lifestyle types are fleeing Arizona.
Union thugs are fleeing Arizona.

The America of our youth is returning to Arizona.
Come and join us. Americans are welcome here.


30 posted on 05/16/2010 10:46:15 AM PDT by NaughtiusMaximus (Mexico presents a more profound threat to our territorial integrity than Germany or Japan ever did.)
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AFL-CIO President Richard Trumka and Wade Henderson, president of the Leadership Conference on Civil and Human Rights

The enemy within.

These guys think they can keep up the assault on real Americans without consequence.

Time of reckoning is drawing near.

The Justice Department isn't always going to be run by Holder.

31 posted on 05/16/2010 10:47:16 AM PDT by Rome2000 (OBAMA IS A COMMUNIST CRYPTO-MUSLIM)
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Oh yea, its time for the 40 percent of the union members that lean conservative to cut themselves loose from the AFL-CIO.


34 posted on 05/16/2010 11:08:40 AM PDT by Keflavik76 (It's an Obama Nation, pray for America.)
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Will Arizona residents be able to cut their Federal income tax payments proportionally to the lack of Federal support?


35 posted on 05/16/2010 11:20:37 AM PDT by mikey_hates_everything
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AFL-CIO: Federal Government Must Cut Ties with Sharia Law Enforcement


37 posted on 05/16/2010 11:40:15 AM PDT by bunkerhill7
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The AFL-CIO long ago cut ties with the truth, the facts, and reality.


38 posted on 05/16/2010 11:45:36 AM PDT by savedbygrace (Rev 22:20 He which testifieth these things saith, Surely I come quickly. Amen. Even so, come, Lord)
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AFL-CIO, ACLU, La Raza, Democrats and all others who are against Arizona’s law... Exactly how is this law racist? Which race is being profiled? Specifically what civil right is being violated?

I have asked these questions numerous times and haven’t gotten an answer yet, with one exception...

One guys says “the Hispanic race,” which he then explained to me were the “non-white people.” This man is so ignorant he thinks “Hispanic” is a race, and that there are no white Hispanics.


39 posted on 05/16/2010 12:44:31 PM PDT by ViLaLuz (2 Chronicles 7:14)
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and like Holder they have not read the law. Even though they are goimg on the myths.

Make it illegal in the State of Arizona for an alien to not register with the government, thus being an “illegal alien” (already the case at the federal level: 8 USC 1306a; USC 1304e)

Allow police to detain people where there is a “reasonable suspicion” that they’re illegal aliens (see the recent court case Estrada v. Rhode Island for an idea of what “reasonable suspicion” might entail)

Prohibits sanctuary cities (already prohibited at the federal level, 8 USC 1373) and allows citizens to sue any such jurisdiction

Reality vs. Myth: SB1070

Myth No. 1: The law requires aliens to carry identification that they weren’t already required to carry.

Reality: It has been a federal crime (8 United States Code Section 1304(a) or 1306(e)) since 1940 for aliens to fail to carry their registration documents. The Arizona law reaffirms the federal law. Anyone who has traveled abroad knows that other nations have similar requirements. The majority requests for documentation will take place during the course of other police business such as traffic stops. Because Arizona allows only lawful residents to obtain licenses, an officer must presume that someone who produces one is legally in the country. (See News Hour clip 3:45 seconds in)

Myth No. 2: The law will encourage racial profiling.

Reality: The Arizona law reduces the chances of racial profiling by requiring officers to contact the federal government when they suspect a person is an illegal alien as opposed to letting them make arrests on their own assessment as federal law currently allows. Section 2 was amended (by HB2162) to read that a law enforcement official “may not consider race, color, or national origin” in making any stops or determining an alien’s immigration status (previously, they were prohibited in “solely” considering those factors). In addition, all of the normal Fourth Amendment protections against racial profiling still apply.

Myth No. 3: “Reasonable suspicion” is a meaningless term that will permit police misconduct.

Reality: “Reasonable suspicion” has been defined by the courts for decades (the Fourth Amendment itself proscribes “unreasonable searches and seizures”). One of the most recent cases, Estrada v. Rhode Island, provides an example of the courts refining of “reasonable suspicion:”

A 15 passenger van is pulled over for a traffic violation. The driver of the van had identification but the other passengers did not (some had IDs from a gym membership, a non-driver’s license card from the state, and IDs issued from the Guatemalan Consulate). The passengers said they were on their way to work but they had no work permits. Most could not speak English but upon questioning, admitted that they were in the United States illegally. The officer notified ICE and waited three minutes for instructions.

The SB1070 provision in question reads:
“For any lawful contact made by a law enforcement official or agency of this state . . . where reasonable suspicion exists that the person is an alien who is unlawfully present in the United States, a reasonable attempt shall be made, when practicable, to determine the immigration status of the person.”

Myth No. 4: The law will require Arizona police officers to stop and question people.

Reality: The law only kicks in when a police officer stopped, detained, or arrested someone (HB2162). The most likely contact is during the issuance of a speeding ticket. The law does not require the officer to begin questioning a person about his immigration status or to do anything the officer would not otherwise do.

Only after a stop is made, and subsequently the officer develops reasonable suspicion on his own that an immigration law has been violated, is any obligation imposed. At that point, the officer is required to call ICE to confirm whether the person is an illegal alien.

The Arizona law is actually more restrictive than federal law. In Muehler v. Mena (2005), the Supreme Court ruled that officers did not need reasonable suspicion to justify asking a suspect about their immigration status, stating that the court has “held repeatedly that mere police questioning does not constitute a seizure” under the Fourth Amendment). Source = http://www.numbersusa.com/dfax?jid=475466&lid=9&rid=123&series=tp06MAY10&tid=999725


43 posted on 05/16/2010 4:51:12 PM PDT by SandRat (Duty, Honor, Country! What else needs said?)
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The Federal government must arrest and imprison for life, Trumka, Henderson, Berger, and all their lieutenants for being the RICO capo criminals that they are.


44 posted on 05/16/2010 4:52:52 PM PDT by DGHoodini (Iran Azadi!)
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