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And I challenge FR being a success because its ideological. If that were true, there's isn't a single freeper who would have voted for McCain in 2008. There's no way GWB would have ever won re-election in 2004.

I'm at a loss.

Many on this forum criticized the angry little man freely, post primary. Others voted for the Vice Presidential candidate, hoping her ideology would alter his actions. The lack of support from the right doomed the campaigned and was almost axiomatic.

Shrub won his first term with plurality support from the 15% on the right. More a gift from the ineptitude of the Tennessee trotter than support from compassionate conservatives. By scrub's second term, dissent was growing. Had it not been for 911, his legacy would have been brutal. As it was, his decisions that emanated from the events of mid-September 2007 separated him from any remaining, significant support on the right and had a dramatic effect on his party in the 2010 election cycle. He and his party simply could not outrun the economic destruction TARP husbanded.

And I am at a loss because if FR were truly the ideological utopia you're trying to make it seem, there wouldn't have been a single McCain or Bush supporter here.

These are your definitions, not mine.

Shrub? Scrub? Is this DU?

If you are referring to President G.W. Bush, please show some respect. I didn't agree with him on every issue, but he certainly cared about this Country unlike the Usurper we have today.