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Warship blast fragments compared to NKorea torpedo
AFP via Yahoo News ^ | 5/12/2010 | AFP via Yahoo News

Posted on 05/12/2010 9:51:41 PM PDT by ErnstStavroBlofeld

Experts investigating the blast which sank a South Korean warship are checking salvaged metal fragments against a North Korean torpedo which Seoul retrieved seven years ago, a report said Thursday.

South Korea has mounted a multinational probe into what caused the explosion which split the 1,200-tonne corvette the Cheonan in two near the disputed border with the North on March 26.

"Comparisons are underway to check if metal pieces recovered from the Cheonan are made of material similar to that of a North Korean torpedo," an unidentified military official told Yonhap news agency.

The official was quoted as saying the South's military obtained a North Korean torpedo off the west coast in 2003. The official did not elaborate and the defence ministry declined comment.

Defence Minister Kim Tae-Young earlier confirmed that traces of high explosive were found on the warship wreckage, indicating it was probably hit by a torpedo.

The minister also said metal fragments that did not appear to come from the ship had been found.

The investigation into the sinking which killed 46 South Korean sailors is due to report next week. The South is expected to take punitive action if the North, which has denied responsibility, is proved to have sunk the corvette.

President Lee Myung-Bak, who took office in 2008 and adopted a tougher line on cross-border relations, hinted last week North Korea was involved in the sinking and promised a "resolute" response if this proved true.

Officials have said Seoul will seek to report Pyongyang to the United Nations Security Council for possible further sanctions.

(Excerpt) Read more at news.yahoo.com ...


TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: blastfragment; cheonan; kimtaeyoung; koreanpeninsula; nkorea; northkorea; pcc772; rokn; southkorea; torpedo
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1 posted on 05/12/2010 9:51:41 PM PDT by ErnstStavroBlofeld
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To: sonofstrangelove

Does South Korea have any rabble-rousing media magnates on the order of our own William Randolph Hearst?

I ain’t sayin’ nuthin...


2 posted on 05/12/2010 10:00:48 PM PDT by sinanju
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To: sinanju

The South Korean government is just relaying the truth to the world that North Korea committed an act of war.


3 posted on 05/12/2010 10:02:14 PM PDT by ErnstStavroBlofeld ("You hit somebody with your fist and not with your fingers spread:-General Heinz Guderian)
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To: sonofstrangelove

Will the South Koreans take a measured military response in kind?


4 posted on 05/12/2010 10:09:47 PM PDT by Red Steel
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To: Red Steel; TigerLikesRooster

Interesting question. I think that the South Korea is fed up with North Korea getting away with murder. I think that at this point ,all options are on the table. But the U.S. would have to be included in the consultations since there are U.S. troops there

What is your opinion Tiger?


5 posted on 05/12/2010 10:14:49 PM PDT by ErnstStavroBlofeld ("You hit somebody with your fist and not with your fingers spread:-General Heinz Guderian)
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To: Red Steel; TigerLikesRooster

You also need to remember that there is a Mutual Defense Treaty between ROK and the United States


6 posted on 05/12/2010 10:18:14 PM PDT by ErnstStavroBlofeld ("You hit somebody with your fist and not with your fingers spread:-General Heinz Guderian)
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To: sonofstrangelove
SK Pres is facing local election. People on the right is very wary of him these days, because of his initial response to rather dismiss N. Korean angle, and later admission that he was working feverishly behind the scene to set up another inter-Korean summit.

Pres himself also appears to feel double-crossed. All this create a strong push for some kind of action. The relation with China also ran into a problem, because of China's full embrace of Kim Jong-il's visit, and subsequent statements siding with N. Korea over S. Korea.

I think the response will be nonmilitary. There are some strong nonmilitary action which has teeth. The question is whether SK and U.S., especially Obama, would go for it. The trick is to hit China rather than N. Korea by some means China would notice.

7 posted on 05/12/2010 10:25:34 PM PDT by TigerLikesRooster (The way to crush the bourgeois is to grind them between the millstones of taxation and inflation)
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To: TigerLikesRooster

I agree. But the days of South Korea blind eye toward North Korea is basically over. It will be more hostile.


8 posted on 05/12/2010 10:29:15 PM PDT by ErnstStavroBlofeld ("You hit somebody with your fist and not with your fingers spread:-General Heinz Guderian)
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To: TigerLikesRooster

Last sentence. Did you mean China wouldn’t notice?


9 posted on 05/12/2010 10:33:08 PM PDT by UCANSEE2 (The Last Boy Scout)
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To: UCANSEE2

I was talking about SK or U.S. response China would notice. For example, U.S. let SK develop intermediate range ballistic missiles which can hit all coastal Chinese cities. Without nuke warhead. China would notice that and take it seriously.


10 posted on 05/12/2010 10:36:05 PM PDT by TigerLikesRooster (The way to crush the bourgeois is to grind them between the millstones of taxation and inflation)
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To: TigerLikesRooster

I dont think that the Zero will go South Korean ballistic missiles.


11 posted on 05/12/2010 10:42:16 PM PDT by ErnstStavroBlofeld ("You hit somebody with your fist and not with your fingers spread:-General Heinz Guderian)
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To: sonofstrangelove

You are probably right.


12 posted on 05/12/2010 10:45:33 PM PDT by TigerLikesRooster (The way to crush the bourgeois is to grind them between the millstones of taxation and inflation)
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To: sonofstrangelove

Have they analyzed the fragments from the seabed at the site of the Gulf oil leak?


13 posted on 05/12/2010 11:34:53 PM PDT by JimRed (To water the Tree of Liberty is to excise a cancer before it kills us. TERM LIMITS, NOW AND FOREVER!)
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To: TigerLikesRooster; sonofstrangelove
FWIW, the investigation is slated to conclude next week on 20 May with a findings. The US response will be to support whatever the SK findings are.

SK has changed its description of the event from an "external explosion" and now call it an "external attack", indicating a directed action by others.

I remain sceptical of a torpedo attack due to the type of damage, or lack of it on the hull sections of the ship, and the incredible targeting required, and the lack of any sonic signal beforehand. A drifting mine would be more likely than a torpedo. An internal explosion fits the damage profile the best.

14 posted on 05/13/2010 7:59:25 AM PDT by gandalftb (OK State: Go Cowboys)
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To: Red Steel; TigerLikesRooster; sonofstrangelove
Here is what makes no sense:

The USNS Salvor, USS Harpers Ferry and the USS Shiloh along with 24 SK ships were on the scene doing rescue work within hours of the incident. The USS Salvo was there two hours after the event.

If we thought it was a mine we would not have entered the area until it was cleared by a minesweeper. If we thought it was a torpedo we would not have entered the area with a rescue ship, the USNS Salvor, first.....

In those waters you assume a hostile posture and send in warships first. The second ship on scene was the USS Harpers Ferry, a landing ship dock and then, the USS Shiloh, a guided missile cruiser.

No, the 7th fleet with all their knowledge of the conflict in that hot spot, would have gone in heavy if there was any suspicion of hostile acts.

15 posted on 05/13/2010 8:20:47 AM PDT by gandalftb (OK State: Go Cowboys)
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To: gandalftb
An internal explosion fits the damage profile the best.

The location where the ship was split is near engine room. Engine room explosion would cause extensive fire damage, and the ship could sink more slowly, according to what experts say.

The location of incident is rather unusual. It is rather shallow sea with exceptionally current. The current itself is said to generate noise which could hamper any sonar detection. Besides, it also has tide which can regularly change the direction of current. With the knowledge of how speed of current changes, when it changes direction, that is, exploiting local environmental features to maximum, NK can conduct operation which would not work in open sea, without extensive hi-tech weaponry.

Korean coastline could offer many unexpected features not readily recognizable by unsuspecting people. Coupled with N. Korea's penchant for developing unusual asymmetric operation, it could get strange, especially if they have crews ready to die(a kind of suicide bomber under the sea.)

16 posted on 05/13/2010 5:07:51 PM PDT by TigerLikesRooster (The way to crush the bourgeois is to grind them between the millstones of taxation and inflation)
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To: TigerLikesRooster

Apparently, SK navy discounted such a possibility and so was US navy. It does not fit the conventional profile of warfare.


17 posted on 05/13/2010 5:09:45 PM PDT by TigerLikesRooster (The way to crush the bourgeois is to grind them between the millstones of taxation and inflation)
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To: sonofstrangelove
Officials have said Seoul will seek to report Pyongyang to the United Nations Security Council for possible further sanctions.

Yeah, like the UN is going to do anything about it.

18 posted on 05/13/2010 5:13:41 PM PDT by chemicalman
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To: TigerLikesRooster
Correction:exceptionally strong current.
19 posted on 05/13/2010 6:20:57 PM PDT by TigerLikesRooster (The way to crush the bourgeois is to grind them between the millstones of taxation and inflation)
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To: TigerLikesRooster
The engine room is more aft of midship. The area immediately forward of the engine room and amid ship is the ordnance hold that would have contained mines and depth charges.

Thanks for posting all those pics of the Cheonan.

I've changed my mind. Look at the rust and deformation on the starboard side of the hull amidship. It was definitely an external explosion that likely detonated onboard munitions. But the explosion was not a contact detonation, had to be a proximity mine or torpedo.

Here's the problem with a torpedo: the Cheonan was on a northern heading, the starboard side would have been towards shore. Had to be a mine. Why would we rush into the area, with a salvage ship, without sweeping for mines first?

20 posted on 05/14/2010 9:08:23 AM PDT by gandalftb (OK State: Go Cowboys)
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