A question for birthers: why Mombassa?

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[Red Steel]

I was under the impression that Mombasa's Moi Airport did not go international until 1979. I haven't found anything that says otherwise. If I'm wrong, I'm happy to look at a contrary source.

This is laughable...because Mombasa didn't have an International Airport -- it's a total non sequitur they could NOT have traveled to Nairobi to fly out.

So to be clear: some official in Kenya, who's probably never even met Obama or any of his family members, says offhand that Obama was born in Kenya, and that's a credible source on Obama's birthplace?

Yes, lets be clear Ms. Politijab - you should acknowledge the crushing evidence that Obama very well is likely born in Kenya. They are not all off-hand quotes that Obama is from Kenya...from all the many sources. So when is Obama going to "repatriate himself" back to Kenya?

I mean, I'm sure he's a swell and upstanding guy, but what reason is there to think that he knows the secret truth about Obama's birthplace?

OH, he knows along with the rest of the high government Kenyan officials that Obama was born in Kenya.

[usmcobra]

What does Tom Mboya have to do with the city of Mombasa?

Isn't it time you started educating yourself?

Not that I mind but finding all these links assumes that you take the time to study them.

For one thing he settled a docker worker's strike there in 1955.

He was also powerful enough to come to America.

[LorenC]

So your theory of “Why Mombasa?” is:

- Barack Sr. was close with Tom Mboya;
- Tom Mboya mediated a strike in Mombasa in 1955;
- Therefore, Barack Sr. made an undocumented trip to Kenya in 1961 to see Tom Mboya, then met Mboya in Mombasa rather than Nairobi, and his wife gave birth to his son while there.

How is this not just wild speculation?

[edge919]

Didn’t the doctor on the Kenyan birth certificate turn out to be Barak Sr.’s neighbor later on or something like that??

I always felt that the Mombasa story had some credibility because it was so unlikely. A fake story about Obama being born in Kenya would certainly be made up to be in Barak Sr.’s village or in Nairobi or some nearby city with a modern hospital. Also, Mombasa would be a convenient seaport for anyone traveling by ship. It was reported that Susan Blake had received a postcard from SAD that was sent from a ship.

[Vendome]

Thanks

[rolling_stone]

How did these people get to the US? Ship or Plane?

posts 7324 and 7332

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-bloggers/2040486/posts?q=1&;page=7324

[usmcobra]

How is this not just wild speculation?

I never said it wasn't.

The question was Why would Obama's mother go to Mombasa?

and it was framed in such a way that we were asked to speculate on why she went there and how she got there.

We weren't asked to prove she was ever there but rather why she would have gone there in the first place.

I have proved that it was possible for her to travel there, that it was a place where she would have been comfortable, and that her husband's patron would have been there as well.

[curiosity]

Okay smart guy, if they were so poor, how did they afford Stanley’s education, in Washington, in Hawaii, and everywhere else???

State schools aren't expensive.

Furthermore how was Obama Sr.’s education financed all over the world living in grass huts???

As I mentioned earlier, his education and travel was financed by various foundations and grants made available to African students in the late 1950's and early 1960's.

[curiosity]

So one more time, how could he afford his trips to Pakistan and expensive college education?

Airfares went down after airline deregulation in 1979-1980. As to education, Obama Jr. was a member of a favored minority group from a low income household. It's not hard to get financial aid for college if you're in that demographic.

[LorenC]

This is laughable...because Mombasa didn't have an International Airport -- it's a total non sequitur they could NOT have traveled to Nairobi to fly out.

I'm sorry; I assumed you were attempting to justify the actual city of Mombasa, rather than Kenya as a whole. Y'know, the topic of the thread. Do you have any original, pre-Berg justification for suspecting the city of Mombasa?

Yes, lets be clear Ms. Politijab - you should acknowledge the crushing evidence that Obama very well is likely born in Kenya. They are not all off-hand quotes that Obama is from Kenya...from all the many sources.

And by "crushing evidence" you mean several foreign news reports about an American politician, some statements by people Obama's never met, and a handful of comments and idioms by family members that you interpret to be confessions? That "crushing evidence"?

OH, he knows along with the rest of the high government Kenyan officials that Obama was born in Kenya.

Of course. It's a huge secret here in the US, but the entire government of Kenya knows it? Obama's sworn everyone in the US to silence, but he took the trouble to tell the Kenyan government? And I'm sure the reason why they aren't speaking up is because they're all in on the conspiracy too?

[curiosity]

OH YES, SHE HAS!

I defy you to find a single instance in which she claimed her husband was born in Mombasa.

[edge919]

State schools aren't expensive.

For a single mother?? Or do you presume SAD's alleged husband was paying for SAD to attend the University of Washington??

[LorenC]

With regard to post 7324, and the photo of Barack Sr. at the docks, that's simply not a photo of people arriving in the US:

http://www.cbsnews.com/2300-18560_162-2455502-5.html

"Obama's father, Barack Obama Sr., center, is shown wearing floral leis on his graduation day at the University of Hawaii in the early 1960s."

[Brown Deer]

I defy you to find a single instance in which she claimed her husband was born in Mombasa.

LMAO, I doubt if she ever specifically said Mombasa. I find it funny that you got very specific about it because that implies that you already know that she has made multiple statements about her husband being a native of Kenya.

[edge919]

And you believe that to be true because??????

[LorenC]

I have proved that it was possible for her to travel there, that it was a place where she would have been comfortable, and that her husband's patron would have been there as well.

"Possible to travel there" and "would have been comfortable" describe practically the entire industrialized first world. So that does nothing to justify Mombasa in particular.

Mboya's presence in Mombasa could conceivably be spun into a justification, but you haven't shown that he WOULD have been there; you've only shown that he COULD have been. (While you've simultaneously pointed out Mboya's widespread travels, which could conceivably justify any number of possible locations.) Showing that he lived there would be one thing, but only showing that he'd been in the city six years earlier is virtually meaningless.

[LorenC]

Hmmm.

CBS News, in publishing the original photo, says that it’s a photo of Barack Sr’s graduation.

But random unknown person on the internet republishes CBS’s photo and claims it’s a photo of Barack Sr’s arrival by ship in Hawaii.

My oh my, who to trust...I mean, one’s a primary source from a national news agency, and the other is a random person making up stuff on the internet. It’s like trying to decide whether to trust a respected fact-checking organization or a convicted forger/amateur cryptozoologist.

[rolling_stone]

“Obama’s father, Barack Obama Sr., center, is shown wearing floral leis on his graduation day at the University of Hawaii in the early 1960s.”

Ah yes graduation day at night with a suitcase and only one graduate wearing leis, sailors in uniform..absent Ann and his baby Obie...photo taken in dark unlit area...May 1964 afternoon? yeah that’s the ticket. And you question us as to speculation?

[Brown Deer]

Airfares went down after airline deregulation in 1979-1980.

Of course they went down a bit, but you fail to mention the several years of double digit inflation right before that. Or didn't you learn about that in your economics clases?

btw, there's a lot more expense than just airfare when you travel.

As to education, Obama Jr. was a member of a favored minority group from a low income household. It's not hard to get financial aid for college if you're in that demographic.

Really? Do you have some facts to back up that statement? and if so, I don't know of any financial aid packages that will cover tuition at an in-state school, much less the schools that he attended. He also had living expenses on top of that.

[usmcobra]

I proved it was plausible, and that was all I needed to do.

That was all we were asked to do.