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1 posted on 05/10/2010 4:07:30 PM PDT by Nachum
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2 posted on 05/10/2010 4:08:12 PM PDT by Nachum (The complete Obama list at www.nachumlist.com)
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Whether a given category of speech enjoys First Amendment protection depends upon a categorical balancing of the value of the speech against its societal costs.”

communism

3 posted on 05/10/2010 4:09:53 PM PDT by plain talk
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I hope the Repubs in the Senate see all this stuff!!!


4 posted on 05/10/2010 4:12:20 PM PDT by little jeremiah (http://lifewurx.com - Good herb formulas made by a friend)
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How much tax would I have to pay fo a ‘UP YOURS OBAMA”?


5 posted on 05/10/2010 4:12:30 PM PDT by screaminsunshine (S)
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To: Nachum

Bump.


7 posted on 05/10/2010 4:16:49 PM PDT by EternalVigilance (TATBO! - "Throw All The Bums Out!")
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So basically this is Stevens 2.


8 posted on 05/10/2010 4:18:17 PM PDT by pnh102 (Regarding liberalism, always attribute to malice what you think can be explained by stupidity. - Me)
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lat me see if I understand this correctly.

the only speech you will be allowed, without threat of incarceration, is the speech the gov’t allows you.

Where's the “FREE” part come in?

10 posted on 05/10/2010 4:22:09 PM PDT by maine-iac7 (google)
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That's pretty much the Fascist position on "free speech".

Remember, top Nazis could pretty much say what they wanted as long as they were of value to the regime. If they started saying the wrong things, or plotting to kill Hitler, their social value became much diminished and they could be killed.

Not at all surprising to me that Obama would select the nominee most likely to select the most fascistic solutions to any sort of problem.

He's very given to accepting the legitimacy of authoritarianism. His grandpa must have been holy hell on his butt!

11 posted on 05/10/2010 4:24:49 PM PDT by muawiyah ("Git Out The Way")
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” ... a categorical balancing of the value of the speech against its societal costs.”

Whether speech remains free depends upon a utilitarian test of whether allowing it results in the greatest amount of happiness or good for the greatest number of people (”greater good”), while abortion remains a categorical imperative.

These people are pure evil.


13 posted on 05/10/2010 4:26:16 PM PDT by tumblindice ("I tremble for my country to think that God is just." T. Jefferson)
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btt


14 posted on 05/10/2010 4:26:49 PM PDT by opentalk
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So does this mean the return of “The Hays Commission” in liberal form?


16 posted on 05/10/2010 4:29:20 PM PDT by dfwgator
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We know the little messiah feels he should have the right to control speech - that NONE should be allowed to speak against or disagree with him. (Tyrants are like that. And Narcissistic tyrants are unbending about it.)

He has been looking for, fomenting for, the chance to shut down the Tea Party.

The Tea Part was listed, by name, as terrorists.

The first intel advisory was issued on Friday, 23 April 2010, and identifies the terrorist threat adversaries as “Local Militia Groups / Anti-Government Protesters / TEA Party.”..

Obama identified them as malcontents, "waving their little tea bags."

And here's a further step he planned

http://symbolic-mirage.blogspot.com/2010/04/military-exercises.html

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"This week, I was contacted by a number of military personnel, enlisted and officer ranks, who expressed concern about a military exercise underway at Ft. Knox, the U.S. Bullion Depository. As with most such exercises, the Ft. Knox alert occurred in stages, as if real time intelligence was being provided at various intervals.

The first intel advisory was issued on Friday, 23 April 2010, and identifies the terrorist threat adversaries as "Local Militia Groups / Anti-Government Protesters / TEA Party."

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The alert states that plans for the demonstration may have been interrupted by "Federal and local law enforcement" raids on a "White Supremacists Organization," but "TEA Party organizers have stated that they will protest at the Gold Vault at a future date."

Further, the intel advisory states, "Anti-Government - Health Care Protesters have stated that they would join the TEA Party as a sign of solidarity."

In accordance with the exercise, Ft. Knox post security is placed on high alert because, "these groups are armed, have combative training and some are former Military Snipers. Some may have explosives training / experience," and "a rally at their compound / training area is scheduled."

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"In response to the "immediate threat," the exercise stipulates, "local detention centers are being made ready for mass arrests." Both the "QRF I and QRF II" are placed on two hour recall, and the "5-15 CAV" was ordered to "draw weapons from holder and store in most available arms room," and "coordinate with MASA for immediate ammunition draw; have equipment readied for immediate use, i.e. vehicles staged and loaded IAW 5-15 CAV SOP; LMR's charged."

QRF refers to Quick Reaction Force. QRF I is the 16th Cavalry Regiment. QRF II is the 194th Armored Brigade.

The 26 April order gives specific instructions for the 5-15 CAV (a 16th Cavalry battalion) to have weapons, ammo, vehicles and communications at ready, and it places the other 2,200 members of the units on two-hour recall. In other words, these orders are to gear up for defending Ft. Knox against Tea Party folks and their co-conspirators who oppose nationalization of our health care sector.

Now, for almost 30 years I have participated in the development and implementation of small and large scale military exercises within the U.S. and around the world.

Such exercises are critical to the readiness of our forces, and the standard for the real time intel reports in these drills requires thinly veiled references to assets of existing or collateral threat vectors such as communist regimes such as China and real terrorist networks such as al-Qa'ida, etc.

Perhaps the writers of such exercises today should focus on response plans for, say, an Islamic terrorist who attacks a post. (See Ft. Hood / Major Nidal Malik Hasan.)

The Ft. Knox exercise is not only amateurish in its construct, but also sets an ominous political precedent.

The military officers and enlisted personnel with whom I spoke are all dedicated uniformed Patriots who are loyal, first and foremost, to their oath to "support and defend" our Constitution "against all enemies, foreign and domestic."

Their concerns about this exercise mirrored my own. As one put it, the exercise "misrepresents freedom loving Americans as drunken, violent racists -- the opponents of Obama's policies have been made the enemy of the U.S. Army."

They were equally concerned that command staff at Ft. Knox had signed off on this exercise, noting, "it has been issued and owned by field grade officers who lead our battalions and brigades," which is to say many Lieutenant Colonels saw this order before it was implemented.

It's not likely that Ft. Knox Commanding General James Milano or Deputy Commander Col. David Teeples, or even the regimental and brigade commanders for the 16th Cav and 194th AB, actually read the exercise scenario, but that doesn't absolve responsibility for such an egregious example of political exploitation of U.S. forces.

One officer insisted, "The American people should require greater accountability of their commissioned officers, that they abide by their oath and never allow politically motivated propaganda like this exercise on any post or base again."

Another observed, "Whether this is complacency by officers who do not see such orders as a problem, or worse, officers who recognize the problem but do not insist the orders are changed, this is a serious problem. We are discussing the training of American citizen soldiers in the use of potentially deadly force against a specific group of political dissenters. There is never a time in an officer's career in which he does not have a duty to apply critical thought to the orders he is given and asked to give. It is my opinion that any officer that has allowed these orders to persist, to reach the level of junior officers and soldiers, has demonstrated a lack of judgment or apathy towards what his duty requires of him. Either way, we should demand more of the commissioned officers, who we as a nation empower to lead our sons and daughters into battle."

Indeed, and at best, the blatant malfeasance on the part of the individuals who composed this exercise reflects poorly on the uniformed services.

Is this exercise ‘request’ to the military a trial balloon to see if the military would back him against Americans?

END excerpts

I am worried about the many new EMPTY prisons around the country. We've heard for years about the huge overcrowding in our prisons. Then WHY are new prisons around the country continuing to sit empty? Are they ‘prisons” or “reeducation camps”?

22 posted on 05/10/2010 5:20:16 PM PDT by maine-iac7 (google)
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So. Any of you doubters and nay-sayers still think we’ll just vote out the leftists in November?

How many boxes are left in our repertoire? It’s going to be an interesting summer.


25 posted on 05/10/2010 5:33:03 PM PDT by ronnyquest (There's a communist living in the White House! Now, what are you going to do about it?)
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