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To: SmokingJoe
I like Hulu. It's one of my favorite sites.

Hulu's great. And you probably wouldn't notice when they switch to HTML5. For video, HTML5 is already there to compete with Flash. Lots of content providers are already using it.

because users need Flash to stream video, music and play game on the web sites they visit.

No, they don't. There are alternatives.

What I asked was, what technology has superseded flash right now as far as streaming and games are concerned on the internet, like you claimed in your last post?

And I told you, HTML5 and SVG. Both are there, both are open standards, both work. Flash is just hanging on because of momentum.

Bottom line: Give your costumers what they want.

Define requirements: What do customers want? Good video, good performance, good battery life, stable system. Now we need a product to fulfull that requirement. What products do? Certainly not Flash. Flash is only still around because that's what most people had in their browsers (not necessarily by their own doing either). Quite a bit of people probably don't even know the technology they're using to watch video or play games. They just want the video or games.

How many gaming sites use HTML5 for games, and more importantly, how many games on the internet have been developed using HTML5?

Don't blame me for your failure to understand the appropriate technologies.

Everyone knows Flash is coming to Android.

I'll bet you 90% of people who bought an Android phone didn't even know it doesn't do Flash. Especially for phones, people tend to play games in apps they downloaded, not on web sites. And video works just fine without Flash. Tech people very often think that everyone follows up on the latest tech news like they do. News flash: Almost nobody else does.

The vast majority of people buy things for what they do right now. Not what they may do in the future.

You don't tell Windows 7, Windows Mobile, RIM or Android users what they should or shouldn't do.

Interesting that Microsoft is pouring massive effort into HTML5 and SVG compatibility in IE9. They're even heavily concentrating on performance, using the GPU to render much of a page. Microsoft sees the writing on the wall, too.

BTW, Blackberries don't support Flash yet either, but Adobe is working hard to make a version of Flash for those devices. Adobe is trying hard to push Flash (gotta pay for that dumb Macromedia purchase), but not everybody's a sucker.

131 posted on 05/13/2010 9:50:37 AM PDT by antiRepublicrat
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To: antiRepublicrat
And you probably wouldn't notice when they switch to HTML5. For video, HTML5 is already there to compete with Flash. Lots of content providers are already using it.

HTML5 is not even close t being as good as Flash, nor is it even supported in all browser's as we speak. It's still a work in progress. And why the heck would I stop using Hulu now and wait for Hulu to go to an inferior technology HML5 in the future?
Only Apple zombies would think that makes any sense.

And I told you, HTML5 and SVG”

HTML5 has superseded Flash?
Since when?
And on what planet?

No, they don't. There are alternatives.”

Again, name me even one alternative which is as widely used and as widely available and as widely supported for games and video streaming as Flash is on the internet.

Define requirements: What do customers want?”

Consumers want a technology that is ubiquitous and a technology that works on practically every streaming site they visit for games and video, not a technology that works on some sites, and doesn't work on other sites, doesn;t work on some browsers, and is still a work in progress.

Good video, good performance, good battery life, stable system. Now we need a product to fulfull that requirement. What products do? Certainly not Flash”

/sarc/ Yeah..that's why its by far the most widely used technology for streaming video and games on the Internet.

What products do? Certainly not Flash. Flash is only still around because that's what most people had in their browsers (not necessarily by their own doing either). “

Flash is downloaded a staggering 8 million times every single day. Consumers wouldn't be downloading it if it didn;’t work. I use Flash, several times a day every single day. It works great.

Interesting that Microsoft is pouring massive effort into HTML5 and SVG compatibility in IE9. ‘

Microsoft is putting most of their streaming and online gaming efforts into a technology called “Silverlight”, not HTML5. Ever heard of it? Microsoft wants a piece of the action for online streaming/games technology for themselves. In fact video games development for Windows Phone 7 will be done using Sliverlight. That's business. It's got nothing to do with Flash not being great.

I'll bet you 90% of people who bought an Android phone didn't even know it doesn't do Flash”

Based on what?
I'll bet they do.
Android users are some of the technically savvy folks out there. Heck the CEO of Adobe and most of the folks at Adobe are currently using Android phones themselves. I have a link earlier in this thread from that Wall Street Journal interview with Adobe's CEO.

BTW, Blackberries don't support Flash yet either, but Adobe is working hard to make a version of Flash for those devices.”

Flash has already been shown to be working very well on Android smartphones, and is on track to ship with the superfast next version of Android (2.2), just next month. They way Android is grabbing market share, don't be surprised if Android overtakes out RIM in market share by next year in this country as well, after clobbering the iPhone this quarter.

Adobe is trying hard to push Flash (gotta pay for that dumb Macromedia purchase), but not everybody’s a sucker.”

There is no sucker like an Apple zombie sucker. Flash is just about to appear on Android 2.2, will appear on RIM smartphones, will appear on Nokia’s Symbian, is already on Win Mo 6.5, will appear on practically ever single smartphone OS out there apart from the iPhone. Flash is going to be ubiquitous on smartphones whether Steve Jobs likes it or not, and Adobe will be laughing all the way to the bank on smartphones as well.

134 posted on 05/13/2010 11:37:59 AM PDT by SmokingJoe
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