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New Scientist: The eye was evolution's great invention
The New Scientist ^ | 05/08/2010

Posted on 05/09/2010 4:25:11 PM PDT by SeekAndFind

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1 posted on 05/09/2010 4:25:11 PM PDT by SeekAndFind
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To: SeekAndFind

Yes it was ‘Evolution’, the God of all adnostics and athiests. How convenient!


2 posted on 05/09/2010 4:27:13 PM PDT by Hostage
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To: SeekAndFind

That evolution guy is pretty smart, eh?


3 posted on 05/09/2010 4:27:40 PM PDT by Carl LaFong (Experts say experts should be ignored.)
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To: SeekAndFind

Interesting debate.

The most intriguing question to me is: how did life begin?

I know what I believe.


4 posted on 05/09/2010 4:28:48 PM PDT by cvq3842 (Freedom is worth fighting for.)
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To: SeekAndFind

As always interesting.


5 posted on 05/09/2010 4:30:59 PM PDT by svcw (Habakkuk 2:3)
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To: SeekAndFind

The author has shaky premises. To wit: to wiring which leads to a retinal blind spot “can be described as one of evolution’s “greatest mistakes””.

No. “Mistakes” die. The fit survive.

Evolution naturally selects (pun intended) those adequate, viable and superior shifts in the genome which generate a superior physical structure (i.e., a better eye) because those shifts/mutations (call them what you will) permit more individuals with that altered genome to live, thrive and reproduce.

Just as the Creator envisioned.


6 posted on 05/09/2010 4:33:29 PM PDT by Blueflag (Res ipsa loquitur)
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To: Hostage

Evolution can do anything. It created Itself, it sustains Itself, and it never errs.

Just like the God of the Bible, without all those standards and difficult stuff.


7 posted on 05/09/2010 4:46:40 PM PDT by Persevero (If man evolved from monkeys and apes, why do we still have monkeys and apes?)
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To: Hostage

addendum, I know God didn’t create Himself. He exists eternally. Don’t want to get into trouble with the catechists!


8 posted on 05/09/2010 4:47:17 PM PDT by Persevero (If man evolved from monkeys and apes, why do we still have monkeys and apes?)
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To: Blueflag
"...wiring which leads to a retinal blind spot “can be described as one of evolution’s “greatest mistakes””....

None of us are even aware of the 'blind spot' because our remarkable brains fill in the blank.

I have come to believe evolution is a tool of the creator. The real unanswerable question is: Where and when did life begin? I do not believe life originated on earth.

9 posted on 05/09/2010 4:49:26 PM PDT by Islander7 (If you want to anger conservatives, lie to them. If you want to anger liberals, tell them the truth.)
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To: SeekAndFind

Wiring on the outside ~ ? That’s a touch screen!


10 posted on 05/09/2010 4:51:22 PM PDT by muawiyah ("Git Out The Way")
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To: SeekAndFind

Not only did “evolution” come up with the most ingenious idea of a lens focusing by changing its shape rather than moving it along the focal plane as in cameras, this amazing inventor “evolution” also wired it perfectly to the most complex computer know to man, the brain, to process an immense quantity of visual information at an astonishing speed. All this of course happened by trial and error and “natural selection”.

These moron scientists will never admit that some things are beyond their ability to understand.


11 posted on 05/09/2010 4:53:56 PM PDT by libh8er
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" I have come to believe evolution is a tool of the creator. The real unanswerable question is: Where and when did life begin? I do not believe life originated on earth."

After listening to the current dribbling idiots in D.C. for the past year, I am beginning to see your point.

12 posted on 05/09/2010 4:54:35 PM PDT by Mobilemitter (We must learn to fin >-)> for ourselves.........)
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To: SeekAndFind

With respect to complexity the eye is nothing compared to the DNA molecule, and nothing to date can explain its existence short of Divine Intervention. Oh wait, I forgot, Aliens put it here.


13 posted on 05/09/2010 4:56:17 PM PDT by HerrBlucher (END THE WAR ON LIBERTY!)
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RE: I know God didn’t create Himself. He exists eternally. Don’t want to get into trouble with the catechists!

You don’t really have to go to catechists.

We have the dictionary definition of God :

In Monotheistic Religions : The supernatural being who is the eternal, perfect, omnipotent and omniscient originator and ruler of the universe.


14 posted on 05/09/2010 4:58:36 PM PDT by SeekAndFind
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Oh, and “evolution” was not happy giving us just one perfect eye, so it gave us two - and both of them identical at that, so we could have perfect stereoscopic vision for better spatial reference. Boy, evolution, or should I say ‘evoluter’, thinks of everything.


15 posted on 05/09/2010 4:59:31 PM PDT by libh8er
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To: HerrBlucher
With respect to complexity the eye is nothing compared to the DNA molecule, and nothing to date can explain its existence short of Divine Intervention. Oh wait, I forgot, Aliens put it here.

The co-discoverer of the DNA, Francis Crick actually toyed around with this idea of alien seeding, so did famed astronomer and cosmologist, Sir Fred Hoyle.
16 posted on 05/09/2010 5:00:29 PM PDT by SeekAndFind
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Oh, and “evolution” was not happy giving us just one perfect eye, so it gave us two

I wonder why Evolution stopped at two.. Why not 3 or 4 ? Would've been great to see from the back of my head.
17 posted on 05/09/2010 5:01:40 PM PDT by SeekAndFind
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RE: No. “Mistakes” die. The fit survive.

This is how it always sounded to me -— Nature selected and produced each species. The proof is that it did it. How do we know it did it? Because it did it.

Thus we have a question: `Why do some multiply while others remain suitable, dwindle, or die out?’ to which is offered an answer: `Because some are naturally fit to multiply while others remain stable, dwindle, or die out.

SURVIVAL OF THE FITTEST :

Why do certain individuals/species survive? Because they are the fittest. How do we know they are the fittest? Because they survive.


18 posted on 05/09/2010 5:07:12 PM PDT by SeekAndFind
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To: SeekAndFind

And Richard Dawkins. I cannot think of a better example of “begging the question.”


19 posted on 05/09/2010 5:09:31 PM PDT by HerrBlucher (END THE WAR ON LIBERTY!)
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To: SeekAndFind

So, before the eye was “evolving” everything was stumbling around, blind? And isn’t amazing that the eyes “evolved” differently with each animal/creature that needed to see.
That Evolution is one smart cookie, that’s for sure.


20 posted on 05/09/2010 5:14:42 PM PDT by irishtenor (Tag line is on vacation.)
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