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Koch: Call them what they are: Illegal aliens
World Tribune ^ | April 29, 2010 | Ed Koch

Posted on 05/05/2010 1:39:35 PM PDT by neverdem

The push is on for providing amnesty to the estimated 12 to 20 million illegal aliens in this country. The supporters of this effort include President Barack Obama, former president George W. Bush, Senator John McCain, Majority Leader Harry Reid and New York Senator Chuck Schumer. Senator Schumer is now chairman of the immigration subcommittee previously chaired by the late Senator Ted Kennedy, a major amnesty proponent.

Amnesty supporters see themselves as taking the high road and claim that amnesty opponents are opposed to immigration, when nothing could be further from the truth. Many amnesty opponents actually support expanding legal immigration. Currently, the U.S. has the highest legal immigration in the world. Every year, we allow 750,000 immigrants to enter the country legally and make them eligible for citizenship within five years. Two hundred and fifty thousand aslyees are also permitted to enter annually. Those legal immigrants have the right to work and earn a living; the asylees are eligible to work six months after applying to work. If we need more immigrants, as many think we do to expand the workforce of our graying population, then we can easily increase the number of legal immigrants.

If we give the current illegals amnesty, you can be sure that 20 or so years from now, there will be a clamor for another amnesty bill as the illegals will continue to pour in. For example, the Simpson-Mazzoli bill, adopted by Congress in 1986, was hailed as the last amnesty bill we would need because the borders of the U.S., then a sieve, would be better protected. However, our borders continued to be porous, and the number of illegals burgeoned, and here we are again with the illegals and their supporters seeking amnesty once more for ever larger numbers.

No country in the world has open borders that foreigners can enter at will, certainly not Mexico. Arizona has an estimated 500,000 illegal aliens living in the state and in 2009, the border patrol agents arrested 241,000 illegal aliens, which is why that state enacted controversial legislation out of frustration. Arizona's citizens are outraged by the presence of many criminals among the people crossing their border - remember there is an ongoing drug war in Mexico with thousands of Mexicans being killed and wounded south of the border by other Mexicans. Arizona does not want that war to spill over into Arizona. Arizona citizens are also distressed with the demands made by illegals upon medical and educational services.

Regrettably, the Arizona legislation went too far, allowing local police to ask individuals "reasonably suspected" to be illegal immigrants for identifying papers. This conjures up images of Nazis engaging in Jew catching in Germany. On the other hand, it would be sound and defensible policy to have the local police examine at the workplace the identity papers of all employees to ascertain whether they are legally allowed to work and, most important, ascertain if employers had intentionally violated current U.S. laws requiring employers to check the immigration status of hired workers. Those employers who intentionally violate the law should be pursued criminally and, if convicted, go to prison. Regrettably, this is not what is happening. If that policy were strictly enforced, illegal aliens would go home, since they are here primarily to get a job and send money home to their families. Recently, I saw an estimate that a million illegals had returned home because of our recession and unemployment in the U.S. which is now at 9.7 percent.

Amnesty supporters refuse to use the term illegal aliens, preferring instead undocumented aliens. They should call them what they are: illegal. Amnesty proponents also should acknowledge that an open border policy is indefensible and irrational and has not been adopted by any other country.

If open borders were such a good idea, why don't we try on a limited scale simply expanding the North American Free Trade Agreement (NAFTA) among Mexico, Canada and the U.S. and allow anyone living in those three countries access to jobs in any of them? Would Canada consent to that? Would Mexico? I doubt it.

A week ago, Prime Minister Gordon Brown of Great Britain had to apologize to a woman voter for referring to her as "bigoted" when she voiced her objections to millions of Europeans in the European Union lawfully flooding into Great Britain and taking jobs. I don't know whether she is bigoted in her attitude toward other Europeans, but she doesn't have to be a bigot to object to the English having to compete for jobs and services such as healthcare and education with immigrants from other countries.

Mark McKinnon, who was a senior adviser to John McCain and President George W. Bush, was quoted in The New York Times of April 28th, as stating, "Immigration is the most explosive issue I've seen in my political career." According to The Times, Mr. McKinnon "...also supported giving illegal immigrants a path to citizenship." But, in his view, "an election year is the worst time to move good public policy on this issue."

During the Bush presidency, amnesty proponents were twice defeated when they tried to shove their self-defined "good policy" down the throats of the voters. Amnesty advocates believed, as they do now, that they know what is best for us, but the American public stood up and said "no." In an election year, the voters can throw the bums out, and that is why Congress fears to bring the issue up before the November elections.

I predict the Schumer legislation supported by President Obama and a whole host of prominent public officials and the media will fail. I also believe it is outrageous to threaten understandably frustrated, but misguided, Arizona with boycotts because we disagree with the protective procedures it has adopted. Let's leave the legality of those procedures to the courts. We are one country and should not be boycotting one another. Persuasion should be our tool of choice, not punishment.


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1 posted on 05/05/2010 1:39:35 PM PDT by neverdem
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To: neverdem

Long live the Queen!


2 posted on 05/05/2010 1:41:27 PM PDT by Puppage (You may disagree with what I have to say, but I shall defend to your death my right to say it)
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To: neverdem

If we give the current illegals amnesty, you can be sure that 20 or so years from now, there will be a clamor for another amnesty bill as the illegals will continue to pour in. For example, the Simpson-Mazzoli bill, adopted by Congress in 1986, was hailed as the last amnesty bill we would need because the borders of the U.S., then a sieve, would be better protected. However, our borders continued to be porous, and the number of illegals burgeoned, and here we are again with the illegals and their supporters seeking amnesty once more for ever larger numbers.

This should be HAMMERED HOME


3 posted on 05/05/2010 1:41:32 PM PDT by A_Former_Democrat
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To: neverdem

There are other decent synonyms as well. Criminaliens works for me.


4 posted on 05/05/2010 1:41:47 PM PDT by C210N (0bama, Making the world safe for Marxism)
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To: neverdem
Ted Kennedy: 1986 Amnesty

In 1986 Senator Kennedy said, ‘This amnesty will give citizenship to only 1.1 to 1.3 million illegal aliens. We will secure the borders henceforth. We will never again bring forward another amnesty bill like this.’

Just another Lying Democrat.

5 posted on 05/05/2010 1:45:25 PM PDT by VeniVidiVici (Everyone needs valid ID except illegal aliens and the President - only in America)
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To: neverdem

“more immigrants, as many think we do to expand the workforce of our graying population”. One problem with this, the immigrants from Mexico don’t have the education, work ethics and they don’t speak English like our elders do. Our government only makes excuses because they are afraid to do what is right. Close the borders. 750,000 immigrants? There are approximately 20 million illegals now. You could close the border for over 20 years to meet the legal requirement.


6 posted on 05/05/2010 1:46:17 PM PDT by RC2
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To: neverdem

Why is this guy a democrap?


7 posted on 05/05/2010 1:46:44 PM PDT by Joann37
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To: neverdem; Bokababe; ding_dong_daddy_from_dumas; stephenjohnbanker; DoughtyOne; genetic homophobe; ..
RE :"Regrettably, the Arizona legislation went too far, allowing local police to ask individuals "reasonably suspected" to be illegal immigrants for identifying papers. This conjures up images of Nazis engaging in Jew catching in Germany."

Too far??? Illegals are fleeing the state in droves taking their kids with them because Democrats, MSM and RINOs are scaring the daylights out of them in Arizona, now they think they will be questioned in line at Taco Bell.

Here's another compassionate whiner that wants to backseat drive.

8 posted on 05/05/2010 1:48:23 PM PDT by sickoflibs ( "It's not the taxes, the redistribution is the federal spending=tax delayed")
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To: VeniVidiVici

When Teddy died, he was still exogenously obese. I imagine all that fat has been rendered by now. ... But he still stinks.


9 posted on 05/05/2010 1:48:29 PM PDT by MHGinTN (Obots, believing they cannot be deceived, it is impossible to convince them when they are deceived.)
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To: neverdem

20 years ago they talked about 12-20 million illegals in America, the number is easily 35 million by now. Yes, that is a HUGE difference.


10 posted on 05/05/2010 1:49:36 PM PDT by runninglips (Don't support the Republican party, work to "fundamentally change" it...conservative would be nice)
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To: neverdem

Call them what they are...future welfare recipients and democrat voters.


11 posted on 05/05/2010 1:49:45 PM PDT by Oldpuppymax
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To: neverdem

Effectively secure our borders.

No amnesty of ANY kind for ANY illegal aliens.

Attrition through enforcement.

End birthright citizenships.

Problem solved.


12 posted on 05/05/2010 1:50:19 PM PDT by Kimberly GG ("Path to Citizenship" Amnesty candidates will NOT get my vote!)
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To: sickoflibs
Illegals are fleeing the state in droves taking their kids with them because Democrats, MSM and RINOs are scaring the daylights out of them in Arizona, now they think they will be questioned in line at Taco Bell.

Thank you for lifting my spirits!

13 posted on 05/05/2010 1:52:12 PM PDT by Jeff Chandler (Judas Iscariot - the first social justice advocate. John 12:3-6)
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To: sickoflibs

No shortage of whiners ;-)


14 posted on 05/05/2010 1:52:16 PM PDT by stephenjohnbanker (Support our troops....and vote out the RINOS!)
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To: Oldpuppymax

Call them what they are...Undocumented Democrats.


15 posted on 05/05/2010 1:52:42 PM PDT by Jeff Chandler (Judas Iscariot - the first social justice advocate. John 12:3-6)
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To: A_Former_Democrat

20 years from now there will be no country if amnesty passes.


16 posted on 05/05/2010 1:57:10 PM PDT by Frantzie (McCain=Obama's friend. McCain/Graham = La Raza's Senators & Estefan-Rubio)
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To: neverdem
Amnesty supporters refuse to use the term illegal aliens, preferring instead undocumented aliens

No, actually they call them "undocumented workers", regardless of whether there's any evidence that they've ever done any sort "work" other than drug-dealing and gang-banging.

17 posted on 05/05/2010 1:57:55 PM PDT by GovernmentShrinker
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To: GovernmentShrinker
No, actually they call them "undocumented workers"

I like the term "Brasseros" or, better yet, "Slaves"

18 posted on 05/05/2010 2:03:12 PM PDT by ssaftler (Arizonans: Doing the job that Americans won't do.)
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To: Kimberly GG

Agreed.


19 posted on 05/05/2010 2:03:45 PM PDT by ConservativeMind (Hypocrisy: "Animal rightists" who eat meat & pen up pets while accusing hog farmers of cruelty.)
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To: Joann37

He’s liberal in many ways, but then every so often he comes out and hits very hard on a conservative issue.

He is pro Israel and anti illegal and you know what? A lot of Democrats are too. They just keep their mouths shut. That’s one of the reason the Democrats are in trouble.

Koch never ever keeps his mouth shut.


20 posted on 05/05/2010 2:06:21 PM PDT by I still care (I believe in the universality of freedom -George Bush, asked if he regrets going to war.)
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