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Soviet commander admits USSR came close to defeat by Nazis (banned Zhukov interview aired)
Telegraph ^ | 05/05/10

Posted on 05/05/2010 7:01:27 AM PDT by TigerLikesRooster

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To: DCBryan1
I visited the Patton Museum a year ago and I thought you might appreciate the pictures I took of Patton's pearl-handled revolver that he carried into battle.....

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61 posted on 05/05/2010 8:37:42 AM PDT by AdvisorB (Obamatude could be defined by Blago as something tangible, but not quite as tangible as JJJ's offer.)
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To: Republic of Texas

Neah.
Stalin was willing to fight to the last drop of (everybody else’s) blood. That sort of determination actually counts for something.


62 posted on 05/05/2010 8:40:51 AM PDT by Little Ray (The Gods of the Copybook Headings with terror and slaughter return!)
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To: Bringbackthedraft; SoCal Pubbie
Studebakers????

In the Soviet Lend-Lease, we provided both Dodge (3/4 ton trucks) and Studebaker (2 1/2 ton). In John Toland's "The Last 100 Days - The Tumultuous and Controversial Story of the Final Days of World War II in Europe", Red Army troops on Dodge trucks were the first seen in Berlin.
63 posted on 05/05/2010 8:41:37 AM PDT by Thrownatbirth (.....Iraq Invasion fan since '91.)
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To: AdvisorB

That’s ivory, dude. “Only pimps carry pearl handled revolvers...”


64 posted on 05/05/2010 8:42:56 AM PDT by Little Ray (The Gods of the Copybook Headings with terror and slaughter return!)
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To: rightwingextremist1776

Amen to that.


65 posted on 05/05/2010 8:43:05 AM PDT by AdvisorB (Obamatude could be defined by Blago as something tangible, but not quite as tangible as JJJ's offer.)
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To: TigerLikesRooster

DontTreadOnMe2009

A rare boatload of bananas arrived in the Soviet Union.

Stalin’s son rushed to give some to his father.

Stalin peeled one. It was not yet ripe.

Stalin peeled another. It was not yet ripe.

Stalin peeled yet a third one. It was not yet ripe.

He began to shout.

Who did this?

Who is sabotaging the Soviet Union?

What is the name of the ship? Who is the captain?

Get me his name!!! Heads must roll! (over a few bananas)

And all the little flunkies began scurrying around the dacha looking for phones to call and investigate this wrecking of the Soviet Economy (from the book “Stalin”)

Well America,

this is what we now have.

BTW

did you know

that with the breakup of East Germany, there were people who for the first time in their lives could now see and eat a banana???

Reason?

The powers on top, the bureaucrats, had decided there was no need to import such a rarity. No need for the people down below to have them.
In the USA, today, they cost about a dime or twenty cents each don’t they?
We now all live under a system, if it continues, where a government flunky will now decide EVERYTHING.

And the Dems in Congress, not knowing or understanding any of this, will smile and look around for something else to wreck. Er, I mean, reform.

We want our reform now!!!!!!!
i.e. you got it/ we want it/ let’s go get it.

BTW, the great Alexandr Solzhenitsyn went to Siberia for 12 years for a joke he wrote about Stalin, in a private letter, during WW II, while an artillery captain.

Stalin hated joke writers more than he wanted soldiers, while fighting for his country’s survival.

Think about it.

Keep well, stay safe everyone.

May God bless all my fellow FReepers cuz it is sure as hell that the Democrats won’t.


“Life has become gayer, comrades.”

Life has become more joyous.”

-—————Josef Stalin’s pronouncement at the height of the Great Terror, where millions were killed. (the purges).


66 posted on 05/05/2010 8:46:21 AM PDT by DontTreadOnMe2009 (So stop treading on me already!)
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To: Little Ray
You're exactly right, and I stand corrected.

"Writes biographer Hirshon, "Patton related to Joyce that his attachment to two ivory-handled revolvers stemmed from the incident. During the fray, he had had to stop and reload his six-shooter. While he did, three shots just missed his head. Henceforth, in times of danger, he preferred to wear two Colt Frontier-model .45-caliber revolvers. Newspapers often described them as pearl-handled because it sounded more colorful." We know that when asked about those "pearl handles" on a later occasion, General Patton angrily corrected the reporter who asked the question and sharply explained that they were ivory. "Only a New Orleans pimp," Patton snarled, "would carry a pearl-handled gun."

http://findarticles.com/p/search/?qt=Did%20General%20Patton%20carry%20pearl%20handle%20revolver&mp=Did%20General%20Patton%20carry%20pearl%20handled%20revolver&qta=1&qf=all&tag=content;col1

67 posted on 05/05/2010 8:50:33 AM PDT by AdvisorB (Obamatude could be defined by Blago as something tangible, but not quite as tangible as JJJ's offer.)
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To: Thrownatbirth

I know, I was mostly kidding. All sorts of companies provided lend lease trucks including Reo and GM. However, this site lists the greatest number of towing vehicles given in aid were from Studebaker.

http://www.1jma.dk/articles/1jmaarticlelendlease.htm


68 posted on 05/05/2010 9:03:36 AM PDT by SoCal Pubbie
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To: FormerACLUmember
“The Russians won because of the weather, the Russian people, the T-34 and Zhukov. Stalin was a hindrance if anything.”

Bingo! I congratulate a true student of history.

He left out the hindrance of Hitler. Had Hitler NOT stopped the initial drive toward Moscow and sent forces south, then resumed the attack on Moscow after the winter started freezing men and machines, the world would look totally different today. Hitler was somewhat a student of history and understanding that Napoleon took Moscow but was still defeated, Hitler saw it more important to take the oil fields to the south. What Hitler didn't understand was that, Moscow of 1941 was a railroad and communications hub for the Sowjets. Cutting this central hub would have decapitated the Russian war effort. It would have been impossible for Sowjet commanders to coordinate attacks/defenses against the greatest military machine since Alexander the Great. Germany would have, at will, picked off one Sowjet army after another. Some of Hitlers generals understood but Hitler wouldn't be moved. Had Hitler taken Moscow when it was easy, before the worst of winter set in, he had the whole country of Russia in the palm of his hand but the FOOL, looking back at Napoleonic times, had no understanding of the 1941 situation.

In addition, Hitler also halted the drive towards Dunkirk. Had he not done so, there would have been no evacuation of Tommy ground troops, Britain would have virtually no ground forces to repel the Wehrmacht, England invaded /conquered, no two front war for Deutschland, the entire German army would have been available for operation Barbarossa, and quite possibly England/Russia would be speaking German today.

69 posted on 05/05/2010 9:42:52 AM PDT by FW190
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To: <1/1,000,000th%
Good thing Hitler ordered his forces to turn away from Moscow and head to Stalingrad.

You don't know what your talking about.

The battle for Moscow was in 1941 and involved Army group center. Yes there was a halt on the drive for Moscow and some troops were sent south to the oil fields. They did NOT attack Stalingrad.

The drive to Stalingrad happened in 1942 and involved Army group South.

70 posted on 05/05/2010 9:56:26 AM PDT by FW190
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To: FW190
Hitler also halted the drive towards Dunkirk

I had read, somewhere, that Hitler did not see the Brits as mortal enemies in the beginning of the war. He had hoped that stopping at Dunkirk, England would either join him or at least fall out of the war. Just something I had read.

71 posted on 05/05/2010 10:11:55 AM PDT by Getsmart64
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To: Getsmart64
I had read, somewhere, that Hitler did not see the Brits as mortal enemies in the beginning of the war. He had hoped that stopping at Dunkirk, England would either join him or at least fall out of the war.

I've also read similar things. Hitler's WW I experience was fighting the Tommys in the trenches and he respected the British.

I've also read he saw the English as racial cousins of Germans.You might say he had a soft spot for the English.

The FOOL forgot, you fight the enemy without pity until your the winner!

72 posted on 05/05/2010 11:05:55 AM PDT by FW190
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To: DCBryan1

*The Russians won because of the weather, the Russian people, the T-34, moving their industry to the Urals, Zhukov, and the might of the once great American industrial complex via Lend Lease.*

Hitler’s strategy left something to be desired as well. Too many goals and not enough time. His refusal to allow any withdrawl/retreat after the Soviets absorbed the opening blows and counterattacked doomed too many men.


73 posted on 05/05/2010 11:20:30 AM PDT by j-damn
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To: US Navy Vet

*If Hitler would have defeated Stalin then Hitler would have had access to almost unlimited Caucusus(sp?) oil supplies and would have cut the Brits off from the Middle East *

The British would by then have pursued peace, especially if Hitler had defeated the Soviets before Pearl Harbor.


74 posted on 05/05/2010 11:22:11 AM PDT by j-damn
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To: Buckeye McFrog

*God directly intervened by providing two of the most brutal winters in history, even by Russian standards.*

Why would He save an atheist regime?


75 posted on 05/05/2010 11:26:48 AM PDT by j-damn
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To: FW190

There were many other reasons, starting with the decision to attack Russia in the first place. I say Providence. There were a thousand reasons why the war turned out the way it did, none were an accident.


76 posted on 05/05/2010 11:31:35 AM PDT by Republic of Texas (Socialism Always Fails)
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To: j-damn

Because at that time Stalin had not called for wholesale destuction of the Jewish race and Hitler had. When Stalin called for slaughter of the Soviet Jews in the early 50’s G*D killed him.


77 posted on 05/05/2010 11:49:56 AM PDT by US Navy Vet
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To: TigerLikesRooster

Had the Germans taken Moscow they might still have lost. The Soviets still had the Urals to their backs. Oh, and Marshal Zhukov probably would have been shot.


78 posted on 05/05/2010 1:13:59 PM PDT by Tallguy ("The sh- t's chess, it ain't checkers!" -- Alonzo (Denzel Washington) in "Training Day")
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To: DCBryan1

The Russians & the Americans had secure sources of petroleum. The Germans did not. Hence only the Panzer formations were motorized.


79 posted on 05/05/2010 1:16:09 PM PDT by Tallguy ("The sh- t's chess, it ain't checkers!" -- Alonzo (Denzel Washington) in "Training Day")
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To: Jack Hydrazine
And the Red Army was almost defeated by the White Army in 1918. How the Red Army pulled that one off I have no idea.

The WW1 Western Allies got bored? The Red Army largely defeated the White Armies in detail.

80 posted on 05/05/2010 1:18:14 PM PDT by Tallguy ("The sh- t's chess, it ain't checkers!" -- Alonzo (Denzel Washington) in "Training Day")
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