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Gulf Rig Blowout : Fooled by Randomness
Rigzone ^ | 5/4/2010 | David W. Kent

Posted on 05/05/2010 6:51:46 AM PDT by Nobel_1

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This is the most precise accounting that I have found so far of the engineering work underway when the accident occurred ... I'm passing this post along to others interested in the details.

Personal comment - with 20-20 hindsight, the engineers should have employed a secondary blowout system from a different manufacturer with a failsafe remote trigger.

1 posted on 05/05/2010 6:51:46 AM PDT by Nobel_1
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To: Nobel_1
"Something went wrong sometime during the time-line of these procedures"
2 posted on 05/05/2010 6:56:43 AM PDT by Tulsa Ramjet ("If not now, when?" "Because it's judgment that defeats us.")
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To: Nobel_1
"the engineers should have employed a secondary blowout system"

A BOPBOP?

Why not a BOPBOPBOP?

3 posted on 05/05/2010 6:58:00 AM PDT by Paladin2
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To: Paladin2
education can be found at WSJ Article

Remote Acoustic BOP

4 posted on 05/05/2010 7:02:06 AM PDT by Nobel_1 (bring on the Patriots!)
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To: Nobel_1

Interesting article, but editorials aren’t “Breaking News.”


5 posted on 05/05/2010 7:02:13 AM PDT by Southack (Media Bias means that Castro won't be punished for Cuban war crimes against Black Angolans in Africa)
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To: Paladin2
Why not a BOPBOPBOP?

You make a good point--adding complexity to the system, even if it's "failsafe" measures, doesn't necessarily increase the reliability or safety of the system.

6 posted on 05/05/2010 7:02:17 AM PDT by randog (Tap into America!)
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To: Nobel_1

BP self-ping, and thanks for posting this, Nobel_1.


7 posted on 05/05/2010 7:02:52 AM PDT by 668 - Neighbor of the Beast (STOP the Tyrananny State.)
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To: All

WBAP Dallas / Mark Davis - transcript of first-hand account of accident ... http://www.rigzone.com/news/article.asp?hpf=1&a_id=92765


8 posted on 05/05/2010 7:13:00 AM PDT by Nobel_1 (bring on the Patriots!)
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To: Nobel_1

BTTT


9 posted on 05/05/2010 7:31:16 AM PDT by thackney (life is fragile, handle with prayer)
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To: Nobel_1
I know that the well pipe contains a long fluid column with a huge amount of momentum, which is probably more of an issue than is the pressure. Shut the valve too fast and the whole casing might fail. Still, as an engineer, it seems to me it should be possible to construct a normally closed intrinsically safe valve design, one wherein if a long list of specified conditions is not maintained, it cannot stay open.

I cannot imagine that standard hazard review procedures would not have such a valve already, so I'm wondering about some of these procedural details in the article. Certainly the seawater would become saturated with natural gas thus requiring the purging process be executed with adequate ventilation; inadequate air exchanges and no go. So if there was no wind, why did they go ahead?

10 posted on 05/05/2010 7:31:46 AM PDT by Carry_Okie (The environment is too complex and too important to manage by central planning.)
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Not to monday morning quarterback but the industry should have one of these blow out cones they are building now to drop on a leak. It appears to just be a huge iron or steel cone. I would guess at the top there is a valve that can suck out the oil. It seems like it is just a huge and heavy piece of metal.

Avoiding disasters is a better option but this thing could have been dropped on the leak after two days. I realize it does not solve the problem but reduces the chances of a spill or reduces the time of a spill or leak to about 2 days. Have one on the docks in TX or LA and have ships in the area available to move quickly.


11 posted on 05/05/2010 7:37:02 AM PDT by Frantzie (McCain=Obama's friend. McCain/Graham = La Raza's Senators & Estefan-Rubio)
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The acoustic device discussed is not a separate BOP.

It is another set of switches for remotely activating the same BOP. Since the BOP won’t work from direct operation from the main control panel on the BOP, another remote switch trying to trigger the same set of valves will not help.

Think of it this way. If the main breaker of the electrical panelboard in your house is off, adding light switches inside the house is not going to get the lights on.


12 posted on 05/05/2010 7:38:49 AM PDT by thackney (life is fragile, handle with prayer)
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From the Mark Davis / WBAP first-hand account (see http://www.rigzone.com/news/article.asp?hpf=1&a_id=92765 for transcript), it appears the BOP had just passed a test, and they had displaced the mud with sea water ... which was when the gas bubble (”kick”) occurred under high pressure.

The sea water was blown out the top of the rig, and the gas (heavier than air) decended and found an ignition source. Crew raced to life boats after initial explosion ...


13 posted on 05/05/2010 7:42:18 AM PDT by Nobel_1 (bring on the Patriots!)
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and where the hell was bummer’s bopbopbop czar when all this was going on????


14 posted on 05/05/2010 7:51:22 AM PDT by late bloomer ( Neglegere homo pone aulaeum. semi-retired warlord)
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To: razorback-bert; lentulusgracchus; Bigun; stevie_d_64

Good info ping


15 posted on 05/05/2010 7:53:45 AM PDT by TWfromTEXAS (Life is the one choice that pro choicers will not support.)
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To: Nobel_1

BOPS can’t close if blocked by something the shears can’t cut.

and that is the problem at this time.

you can have all the switches you want...ain’t gonna matter

I suspect you DON’T work in the oilfield and don’t understand WHAT BOPS are used for.


16 posted on 05/05/2010 8:07:25 AM PDT by antivenom (OBASTARD must become a "Half Term President" * Impeach the anti-Constitution Bastard!)
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To: Frantzie

The metal dome will have a spot on the top with flanges, they will attach COFLEXIP hose to it.

They will try to guide that escaping oil from the damaged well head up into the metal funnel and they hope the pressured oil will be pushed up one mile in an oil stream to be collected at the surfaces boomed in and with a collection method.

So instead of a CLOUD of oil coming up to the surface, it will be a controlled (they hope) column of oil surfacing.

WE will see.


17 posted on 05/05/2010 8:11:20 AM PDT by antivenom (OBASTARD must become a "Half Term President" * Impeach the anti-Constitution Bastard!)
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Two mitigation thoughts came from offshore people at the OTC conference this week ... one was a dual-BOP setup, using different technologies on each with deadman switches.

The second idea was simply to adopt the “Norway standard” with remote signalling capability.

(Some BOP history for those of you who are interested ... in 1922, James Smither Abercrombie and Harry S. Cameron invented the ram BOP in Humble, TX. Their invention sealed off a well using a sharp horizontal motion. The first ram BOP was controlled manually, and quickly became an industry standard. Early BOP designs could withstand pressures up to 3,000 psi. Today’s average BOP can withstand 15,000 psi in water depths up to 10,000 ft.)


18 posted on 05/05/2010 8:43:10 AM PDT by Nobel_1 (bring on the Patriots!)
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The second idea was simply to adopt the “Norway standard” with remote signalling capability.

You can have all the remote signalling capability in the world and it won't make a bit of difference if the BOP is not mechanically functioning or is physically blocked from doing so.

19 posted on 05/05/2010 8:48:32 AM PDT by Bigun ("It is difficult to free fools from the chains they revere." Voltaire)
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The Russian cure.
20 posted on 05/05/2010 8:59:16 AM PDT by SouthTexas (Congress is out of order!)
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