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To: Mr Rogers
Look at the decision of the court, Mr. Rogers. Ober dicta does not have the force of law, and that is exactly what you've repeatedly been citiing and conflating with a legal decision. The only legal decision in Ankeny was that plaintiff failed to state a claim, and therefore the case was dismissed.
319 posted on 05/02/2010 9:49:55 AM PDT by RegulatorCountry
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To: RegulatorCountry

Good point. When one reads a court case, such as WKA, all one finds are references to the formal decision sentence. One never finds the court using the ARGUMENTS used in coming to the decision as instructive.

Did WKA formally decide that WKA was a NBC. No. Has its reasoning been followed in multiple cases since then? Yes. Does that include Indiana? Yes.

Good luck going into court and arguing that WKA only affects the 14th amendment. That is the sort of approach that has resulted in birthers losing every case.


320 posted on 05/02/2010 9:55:04 AM PDT by Mr Rogers
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To: RegulatorCountry

Ober dicta

“In the third meaning, an obiter dictum is a remark or observation made by a judge that, although included in the body of the court’s opinion, does not form a necessary part of the court’s decision. In a court opinion, obiter dicta include, but are not limited to, words “introduced by way of illustration, or analogy or argument.”[1] Unlike the rationes decidendi, obiter dicta are not the subject of the judicial decision, even if they happen to be correct statements of law. Under the doctrine of stare decisis, statements constituting obiter dicta are therefore not binding, although in some jurisdictions, such as England and Wales, they can be strongly persuasive.

An example of an instance where a court opinion may include obiter dicta is where a court rules that it lacks jurisdiction to hear a case or dismisses the case on a technicality. If the court in such a case offers opinions on the merits of the case, such opinions may constitute obiter dicta. Less clear-cut instances of obiter dicta occur where a judge makes a side comment in an opinion to provide context for other parts of the opinion, or makes a thorough exploration of a relevant area of law. Another example would be where the judge, in explaining his ruling, provides a hypothetical set of facts and explains how he or she believes the law would apply to those facts.

In reaching decisions, courts sometimes quote passages of obiter dicta found in the texts of the opinions from prior cases, with or without acknowledging the quoted passage’s status as obiter dicta. A quoted passage of obiter dicta may become part of the holding or ruling in a subsequent case, depending on what the latter court actually decided and how that court treated the principle embodied in the quoted passage.

Obiter dicta can be influential. One example in United States Supreme Court history is the 1886 case Santa Clara County v. Southern Pacific Railroad. A passing remark from Chief Justice Morrison R. Waite, recorded by the court reporter before oral argument, now forms the basis for the doctrine that juristic persons are entitled to protection under the Fourteenth Amendment. Whether or not Chief Justice Waite’s remark constitutes binding precedent is arguable, but subsequent rulings treat it as such.”

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Obiter_dictum

I dunno...maybe it is standard procedure for most of a written decision to be “ober dicta” and thus ignored by follow on courts...except the “ober dicta” in WKA has been quite influential for over 100 years.


322 posted on 05/02/2010 10:05:47 AM PDT by Mr Rogers
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