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1 posted on 04/28/2010 3:37:35 PM PDT by Free ThinkerNY
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The reverse side of the law, which nobody has taken into account, are the high number of citizens involved in the underground economy as well. Not just Mexican Americans, but Anglos and blacks are involved in this economy, with a lot of different reasons for doing so.

A major motivation is that many are very distrustful of the government, and go to great lengths to not be part of “the system”. Ironically a lot of these folks would fit right in at a Tea Party, and many with their families have been manhandled by the government in past, and want nothing to do with it ever again.

A lot of underage kids as well have to take whatever underground jobs they can find. Real survivalists, they know that if captured, they will likely be sent back to live with abusive parents, often under the cloud of being criminally sought for being a “runaway”. Some even face being sent to for-profit mental institutions solely on the discretion of their parents. They are diagnosed as mentally ill until the money runs out, or they turn 18, then they are suddenly “cured”.

Others in the underground economy include ex-cons that no one will hire in a legitimate job, who are desperate for any kind of work, other than crime. Without their underground jobs, they have no choice but to go back to crime.

And yes, there are lots of people in the underground economy with wants and warrants outstanding. Complaints often years old, and issued by other States, often for old drug possession charges, could send them to prison for years even though what they did then are petty offenses today.

Certainly there are a lot of people more than willing to force all these people back into “the system”, ignoring the human cost. Often the idea is that if they are driven from the underground, their jobs will then be offered to “legitimate” workers at many times the price. Which is pretty self-deceptive.

Is a baby sitter worth $75 an hour? Mow your lawn or vacuum your floors for $150? Take care of old invalids at the prevailing wage of a minimum of $500/day that the government demands it cost?

The overall effect is to strip such jobs of their market demand and supply, and make every job a union job.


63 posted on 04/28/2010 4:11:09 PM PDT by yefragetuwrabrumuy
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Adios amigos Don't let the american door kick you in the tail on the way out.
65 posted on 04/28/2010 4:13:23 PM PDT by Outlaw Woman (Control the American people? Herding cats would be easier.)
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If True - I Love a happy ending.


67 posted on 04/28/2010 4:28:41 PM PDT by TNoldman (Conservative Values FOREVER! LION = Let's Impeach Obama Now!)
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BYE, don’t let the door hit your backside on the way out...take your anchor baby with you.


71 posted on 04/28/2010 4:50:23 PM PDT by GailA (obamacare paid for by cuts & taxes on most vulnerable Veterans, retired Military, disabled & Seniors)
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From the article:

Many day laborers like Diaz say they will leave Arizona because of the law, which also makes it a crime to be in the U.S. illegally...

If "illegal" means "against the law", then it's already a "crime". Arizona can't make it a crime if it is already "illegal". Is logic not taught in college anymore, or are liberals trained to ignore the obvious?

72 posted on 04/28/2010 4:53:20 PM PDT by jeffc (I now live in National Socialist America)
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BWA-HAHAHAH. Let’s hope they go home, or, as a second best, to SF.


74 posted on 04/28/2010 5:05:17 PM PDT by LS ("Castles made of sand, fall in the sea . . . eventually." (Hendrix))
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maybe this will come to fruition in Virginia!


76 posted on 04/28/2010 5:19:20 PM PDT by ronniesgal ( I miss George Bush. Hell, I miss Bill Clinton!!)
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Don’t go away mad, just go away.


77 posted on 04/28/2010 5:20:26 PM PDT by Ronaldus Magnus III (Do, or do not, there is no try.)
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Boo Hoo. Too bad, so sad.


80 posted on 04/28/2010 5:46:47 PM PDT by dforest
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I used to live in San Diego county and real, real close to the border- I had replica FBI and Border Patrol caps that I bought when I purchased some for my family as gag gifts.. Well, Home Depot in that town was quite active with stand arounds and it happened to be right in the same parking lot of a bank I used..

I’d pull in and they’d make eye contact with me as I pulled into the lot to see if I needed some workers but when they saw the cap I was wearing, boy the did scurry...

Only wore it to that parking lot and then put another cap on when I got out of the car..Never spoke to any of them- But that first look on the faces when they saw even the replica cap- oh, was that a little guilty pleasure..


82 posted on 04/28/2010 6:08:36 PM PDT by delchiante
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b u m p


83 posted on 04/28/2010 7:26:12 PM PDT by TornadoAlley3 (Obama is everything Oklahoma is not.)
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To: 1_Inch_Group; 2sheep; 2Trievers; 3AngelaD; 3pools; 3rdcanyon; 4Freedom; 4ourprogeny; 7.62 x 51mm; ..

Ping!


84 posted on 04/28/2010 7:30:16 PM PDT by HiJinx (~ Illegal is a Crime, it is not a Race ~)
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(Powers Booth voice): Well...Bye...


85 posted on 04/28/2010 7:30:32 PM PDT by Clemenza (Remember our Korean War Veterans)
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"This law is very bad for us," says Sanchez, who gets about $250 a week cleaning three houses.

Let's say that it takes 8 hours (a full day) to clean each house. (It doesn't... unless the house is a 3,500 sf mansion.) That's $10.42 an hour. There are *many* American housewives , college students, highschool students, etc who'd happily work for that wage.

Analysts say it's too soon to tell what lasting effects the law will have on the state's underground work force, which also includes baby sitters, maids and cooks.

Why aren't our *kids* doing these jobs? Why aren't our teens and early 20-somethings standing on the street corners waiting for construction work? Why aren't our girls cleaning houses and babysitting? They'd happily work for $10 an hour under the table. They'd also get valuable work experience and reinforce their developing work ethics.

Jobs American's won't do? My hiney.

My aunt quit her job as a prison guard and now makes *more* money cleaning houses and doing odd jobs. (with much less stress)

We don't NEED illegal immigrants.

87 posted on 04/29/2010 7:16:24 AM PDT by Marie (Obama seems to think that Jerusalem has been the capital of Israel since Camp David, not King David)
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Day Laborers stand along Arizona Ave Wednesday, April 28, 2010 in Chandler, Ariz. Arizona's sweeping immigration bill allows police to arrest illegal immigrant day laborers seeking work on the street or anyone trying to hire them. It won't take effect until summer but it is already having an effect on the state's underground economy. (AP Photo/Matt York)

Natalia Garcia, 35, from Mexico City, says she and her husband - a day laborer - will stay so their daughters - both born in the U.S. - can get a good education and learn English. The couple have been living in Arizona illegally for the last 10 years. "Mexico doesn't have a lot of opportunities," she says. "Here, we work honestly, and we have a better life." Olga Sanchez, 32, from southern Mexico, lives in Phoenix illegally with her two brothers, who are 21 and 17. While the youngest boy is in high school, all three work and send money back home to their parents.

Here is the problem - they are not paying taxes, they are taking jobs away from American citizens, and they are availing themselves to FREE education, health care, in state utition, welfare payments, food stamps, WIC, drivers licenses, and who knows what else.

On top of that, along with the hard workers, comes a lot (A LOT) of crime: drunken driving arrests, murders, robberies, rapes, and drug dealing.

She says the family is going to wait and see if the law takes effect and what the fallout will be before deciding whether to leave. The law is certain to be challenged in court; Phoenix, Tucson and Flagstaff already are considering lawsuits. "All I ask from God is a miracle for us to stay here and work," she says.

God loves each of us. The earth, and everything in it, belong to Him. This is a fact. We need to love others as God loves us.

Each nation, however, is also given by God a right to exist, as individuals are given liberty and life by God Himself, not governments. The Bible talks about nations, as well as individuals.

Illegals have invaded our nation when they were not invited to do so. They have broken our laws, spat on our sovereignty, and taken services that they have neither paid for, nor deserve.

Enough is enough.

I hope that states like Utah and Texas (were the illegals mentioned in this article said they were going to go) are prepared to take up similar legislation as Arizona. If not, good luck with that! You all will become the safe havens for these illegals in a matter of weeks.

88 posted on 04/30/2010 2:45:35 AM PDT by SkyPilot
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