Guilty...
Posted on 04/25/2010 3:08:02 AM PDT by floridavoter2
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She’s refreshingly respectful in the interview. She is what she is, and wants her private life kept private. She’s not demanding people support her or like many artists with their politics and such trying to guilt people into supporting her cause or choice first and her music second. She’s a good example for someone who’s a musician being just that, a musician, in the public sphere, and who cares about the other stuff? She’s shutting up and singing.
Sad that she trades the truth for a lie. I would be interested to hear who she has been listening to...because it is clearly NOT the Christian teachings on the subject.
Guilty...
The MSM will take this and run because the only thing they like more than a conservative’s kid getting pregnant, it’s Christans who make public announcements of their homosexuality.
I don’t even like her music, but this bugs me. I think because she, like a handful of other artists, used the Christian market as a launching pad for their careers, only to jump ship at their first opportunity. And in the interviews where she starts to play like she’s a victim: “they’ll chew me up over this” and “they’ll treat me like I’m worthless” well boo hoo hoo. Nobody forced her to go on Larry King.
Then they’ll dig up a some emergent church pastor who says this is all just part of her personal narrative and there’s nothing sinful about her behavior.
Show me a "perfect" Christian, who does no evil, and I'll show you a liar. Sin is sin and the penalty for any sin is death, yet God spoke through the prophets before the New Covenant and said "I will forgive your wickedness and recognize your sin no more". He followed up be stepping to earth as Jesus and paying the price.
To quote an admirable person/God; "Let he who has no sin cast the first stone."
Have a blessed day.
Had this singer using Christ for dollars and raising her own star kept her mouth shut about who she wants to wallow with, NOBODY would be the wiser regarding her 'sin'. She and anyone else can claim the inclusion of being Christian but there ain't going to be no hankying around in the next age.... Guess she might as well get it out of her system while she can.
Some things really ought to be kept to yourself...
http://www.freedominion.com.pa/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?p=1479132#1479132
Having had gay relatives, friends, employees ( Yes, I’ve been a Capitalist Oppressor ) and neighbors, I don’t have a problem with gay folks who
1)- involve only consenting adults
2)- don’t try to drag children into it
3)- and keep it private...
What about repentence? We all sin but the Bible makes it clear we must repent and forgo living in sin. 1 John 4-6 makes it pretty clear that if one just keeps on living in the same sin they are not saved and will not see the kingdom of Heaven. This would clearly apply to anyone who just accpets their pet sin as "who they are". If one is a Christian that's not "who they are". They have had a new birth and are a new man/woman. Show me a unrepentent "Christian" who continues in open sin and I'll show you a deluded person.
To quote that same admirable God "If your brother sins rebuke him and if he repents forgive him..." An unrepentent sinner is not "as Christian as anyone else" and just belonging as "members of churches" doesn't make anyone a Christian any more then being in pet store makes someone a dog.
Misapplication of the quote. The stones were real and the object was to KILL the sinner with them. Jesus WAS NOT telling people not to judge.
The difference between Jennifer Knapp and your garden variety sinner is that she seems to think that calling the sin a lifestyle and “coming out” about it somehow changes the character of it AS a sin. Any sins I commit I recognize an NOTHING BUT sin. How does Jennifer Knapp ask forgiveness of God for a thing that is a definitive and integeral part of her life...by her own very considered choice.
Your post is an example of the best Christian attitude towards this kind of story--you're not saying you have to accept her lifestyle, but not getting on your high horse to showboat, either.
This woman is being denounced for coming out with this information, yet if she didn't some tabloid would, and these same critics would call her a liar...for not telling them what she's telling them now. Instead of "using" the Christian audience, the story tells how long it took her to come to grips with her situation.
Considering she made an impact on the Christian music scene and then WENT AWAY for seven years--long after the publicity of the Grammy nomination and her fame faded--and then announced her sexuality, she did a lousy job of "using" the Christian audience.
She's talking about how the audience that embraced her before would reject her now--gee, wonder where she'd get that crazy idea?
No one's asking anyone to accept her if doing so clashes with their values. Why would Christians want her to shut up and just take their money under a dishonest front, whereby they would be funding the very sinfulness they're so against? (The way they don't want their tax money to fund abortions after they've paid it.) Seems they'd want to know this information up front, so they can decide to hold their money, and possibly pray for her, and give their money only to those entertainers who don't sin...whoever they might be.
Thanks for being such a positive example and making such a graceful, Christian post on this touchy issue.
“What about repentence?”
She goes to God for that, not us.
She is clearly not going to God. She is being openly unrepentent.
Can’t beat Lik’aty-Split.
I can only take your post as if I was casting judgment against this person. Wrong. I am no cleaner except by what Christ has done for me. I simply stated the truth of a matter. That truth is this...to say you can be gay AND be Christian is a serious problem that more often than not is denial of it being a sin. It is Trading the Truth for a LIE.
If I steal and confess it a sin...I can be restored, if I steal and see it as NOT AN ISSUE I lie, and I cause the church to be a liar to claim I am one among them. It is denying that it is wrong. I can’t do that and lay claim to Christ when He tells me clearly that stealing is wrong. Forever! Absolutely! It is the same with every other sin.
Jennifer Knaap “comes out” and hopes that her singing of Christianity as a form of income is not affected. She is wrong. I will not support this. It would be wholly different if she saw it as sin, but I see NOTHING saying this is the case. I fear the worst here. I see her as very soon, if not already being USED to disparage all Christians as being out of touch with the new god (yes small g) of modern liberal Christianity which has been infiltrated by people who do their best to deny the Bible and write the rules to their own satisfaction. Women as pastors, Gays as married, eliminating what God calls sin or wrong from existence and calling you and I bigots if we do not agree and further working to make sure the law denies us our religious freedom on the insulting and false basis that we are committing hate crimes for even calling it a sin.
The LIARS in Canada and the ones in the US who have successfully got scripture read into evidence AGAINST Christians as being what we will do. They LIE by using Old Testament scripture and saying that Christians will put gays to death and more. They could not be more wrong but I tell you they KNOW what they are doing. It is purposeful...I will fight it completely every time it raises its lying hate-filled Anti-Christian bigoted head.
You deny faith in God, your choice that I support you having the right to do, but dare to suggest that someone displays the proper Christian attitude here?
You are as biased as could be on the subject, and the wording of your post shows me you want Christians to be YOUR version of Christianity.
We are called to hold each other accoutable. You may not believe the Bible but that is a clear teaching that you are applauding someone to deny following through on.
Or, do I misunderstand you?
It was not a misapplocation of the quote. That would not be one of the most famous quotes--Biblical or otherwise--were it not also a metaphor for casting stones verbally or otherwise. Does "cast your bread upon the waters and it will come back a hundredfold" mean people should throw loaves of Wonderbread in the ocean?
As for judging, Jesus indeed was telling those present NOT to judge--the only ones who could throw a stone were those without sin. Not only could they not be guilty of that sin in particular, prostitution, but SIN.
Under your limited reading, all Christ meant was "Don't throw rocks at prostitutes," and the quote would have none of the power it has under its actual meaning, which the original poster used properly.
It was not a misapplocation of the quote. That would not be one of the most famous quotes--Biblical or otherwise--were it not also a metaphor for casting stones verbally or otherwise. Does "cast your bread upon the waters and it will come back a hundredfold" mean people should throw loaves of Wonderbread in the ocean?
As for judging, Jesus indeed was telling those present NOT to judge--the only ones who could throw a stone were those without sin. Not only could they not be guilty of that sin in particular, prostitution, but SIN.
Under your limited reading, all Christ meant was "Don't throw rocks at prostitutes," and the quote would have none of the power it has under its actual meaning, which the original poster used properly.
If they met all three of your conditions, how is it that you knew? If you knew, then they were unsuccessful at “keeping it private”, IMO. Private = I don’t know or care who you get jiggy with, as long as the first two conditions are met.
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