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To: Mr Rogers; Candor7
I do take exception to ‘traitor’, or to someone telling me my kids should be ashamed of me. My father was an inspiration to me, and I assume my two oldest kids took some note of my example.

You are trying to justify your previous name calling. Let me just explain to you. In my young boyhood I personally lived five (5) grueling years under Hitler's tyranny when he invaded my former home country on April 9, 1940!

I know how it is to live under condition where the Wehrmacht stole all our food and our coal to heat our houses. 1940 & 41 was one of the coldest winter there ever. We could walk across the North Sea to a small island on the west coast. MY father was a Fish Exporter and totally lost his business the day Hitler attacked!!

So when I see you constantly protect a criminal, your dear leader, and you desert your own fellow soldier with the rank as you, Terry Lakin, then I surely have NO respect for your previous service, and still feel sorry for such children and I NEVER said they should be ashamed, please don't put words in other people's mouth!!!

380 posted on 04/29/2010 7:49:53 PM PDT by danamco (")
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To: danamco; Candor7; LucyT; OldDeckHand; Jack Black; BuckeyeTexan

Yes, you did say that, and no, I’m not going to go back thru various posts to prove it.

Living under Hitler has nothing to do with living under Obama. If you think this is the equivalent of Germany in 1939...well, let your words reveal you.

President Obama deserves the same legal protections President GW Bush had - no more, no less. The law provides protection to the evil as well as the good, which is important. There were and are a lot of folks that want to call GWB evil and use the law to hunt him down...

What I have maintained and continue to maintain, and what is NOT traitorous to maintain, is that if Obama was born in Hawaii, then the phrase “natural born citizen” as applied by the courts includes him.

You do not have to agree with my assessment.

As for Lakin, he had orders to deploy and he refused to go. I deployed too often to have any stomach for people deciding which wars they want to support, or wanting to decide for themselves who is the President. The orders are backed by Congress when they funded the operation.

In the military, you don’t get to pick which orders to obey. IF THEY ARE OBVIOUSLY ILLEGAL - such as when I was ordered to falsify a legal document, or if someone orders you to commit a war crime - THEN you can refuse...but you always do so at your own risk.

There is nothing illegal about deploying to Afghanistan.

This is the equivalent of an officer in 2003 refusing to go to war because he didn’t think GWB REALLY won the election. Those aren’t decisions for the military, and I say that as a former military officer.

During Kosovo, I had folks on FR calling me a baby killer because I said that deployment was legally binding. So be it.

Now there are folks who think I’m a horrible person because I say Obama IS the President, and will be so until Congress removes him or there is another election. So be it.

But if y’all are right, then EVERY order given since Jan 2009 is illegal, and the entire military should just quit. That means you do not understand the role of the military in a democratic society. The Founders were FAR more afraid of the military choosing political leaders than they were of someone born in America becoming President, regardless of his parentage.


382 posted on 04/29/2010 8:32:58 PM PDT by Mr Rogers
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