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To: OldDeckHand; rxsid; BP2; LucyT; Red Steel; El Gato
“Goodness. This is why birthers are mocked and ridiculed. It's deserved. You admit that you don't read the piece, but discount its scholarship at the same time. That's rich.”

Resort to ad hominem attacks betrays the weakness of your side of the argument and personal insecurity as well, IMHO, and I don't need a law degree to affirm that.

You leap to lump me into a category of persons, “birthers,” whom you chose to mock and ridicule in true Alinski fashion. I am a truth seeker who lets the facts fall where they may without denigrating persons who disagree.

I didn't say that I didn't read the Yale Pryor article. I don't read every footnote of every article I read. I have read it previously and reread most of it noting a heavy reliance on the argument that the founders roughly equated natural born subject from English common law with natural born citizen and native born citizen. My visual scan for “Vattel” was done prior to using word search (which didn't initially occur to me with these crudely scanned pages from the journal) in full expectation that Vattel would at least be in a footnote.

Earlier researchers, such as Pryor and Solum, did not have access to the internet and computer searches to the extent that we do and you will note that “common knowledge of historical facts” is frequently revised, corrected and enhanced by newly discovered texts and analysis. The overwhelming embrace of Vattel by SCOTUS and the founders appears to me to have completely escaped Pryor and Solum.

Resort to the presumed authority of outdated law review articles is unwarranted now that newly discovered appreciation of Vattel and reliance by the founders has been revealed.

Vattel Cited: Records of the Federal Convention1787 (Natural Born Citizen)
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/2499410/posts?q=1&;page=1

274 posted on 04/27/2010 8:53:49 AM PDT by Seizethecarp
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To: Seizethecarp; rxsid; BP2; LucyT; Red Steel; El Gato
"Earlier researchers, such as Pryor and Solum, did not have access to the internet and computer searches to the extent that we do and you will note that “common knowledge of historical facts” is frequently revised, corrected and enhanced by newly discovered texts and analysis. The overwhelming embrace of Vattel by SCOTUS and the founders appears to me to have completely escaped Pryor and Solum."

Good grief, you've done it again. Apparently, in your mind, and when evaluating legal research prior to the establishment of internet, all legal opinions, articles and essays are presumptively defective, because of absence of what you purport to be - I assume - the only legitimate legal research tool, the internet. This of course, will come as a complete surprise to every attorney, scholar, judge and student of American law that had to endure hard copy editions of Blue Book, up until 2008

I mocked you before, and to be clear, I'm mocking you again. Apparently, what you don't know (which underscores your wanting intellectual curiosity) is that the Yale Law Library is arguably the greatest, most resourced law library - in the world - it is now, and it certainly was in 1988. To assert that Pryor's article is deficient because the internet wasn't yet invented, is the embodiment of absurdity.

BTW, the original publication year of Solum's article was 2008. Of course, had you taken the time to read it, or had the subject-matter expertise to understand it, you might have picked up on that, yourself.

Lastly, and this is what I most love about birthers. When they're losing a fight and realize their in over their head, they ping the "buddies", like a jackal yelping for mother. It's hysterical.

276 posted on 04/27/2010 9:13:06 AM PDT by OldDeckHand
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