Cop stops a car for legit reason. Driver refuses to/cannot provide Driver License. Driver gives full name and ask for an attorney. Other occupants remin silent or give only their names as required by AZ law and/or ask for an attorney. They speak Spanish to each other, and say nothing to the cop. They’re all brown skinned and look Mexican.
Where is your probable cause to supect them of being in the country illegally brainiac? Because they speak Spanish? I speak Spanish. I’m Irish. Because they have brown skin? My daughter-in-law has brown skin. She is an American citizen. Because they look Mexican? I have several friends who “look Mexican” who were born in the USA.
Where is your probable cause?
You ain’t playing nothing because you aren’t smart enough to step on the court with me brainiac. The law will never go into effect and will be struck down as unconstitutionally broad.
Pseudo-Conservatives like you give us all a bad name. Read a law book and history of SCOTUS decisons and the US Constitution.
I have lived in AZ for 47 years pal, you ain’t teaching anyone here anything. Get lost.
OK then, Mr. Wizard, how do you propose we keep out the invaders?
Pleasant little fellow, aren’t you? Congratulations on being a miserable old Spanish speaking fart.
Who said anything about speaking Spanish? Who said anything about Mexicans or ‘brown people’?
You said ‘that according to AZ law. . . ‘, well pal, what they are doing is changing the law? That is still legal, isn’t it?
If pulled over for a violation and they attempt to flee (in my scenario), there is probable cause to believe that something isn’t right. To release people who have not ID’d themselves, won’t tell you anything, but could be guilty of some crime (why else would they flee a traffic stop?) is insane.
I did not read the thread, I only saw that post that I responded to. Are you a defense attorney? Do you think that there is a problem with illegals? Do you want to see a solution to the problem?
I have always opposed a national ID card, but my contention is that the Feds want the illegal invader problem to be so bad that we will demand such a card.
Here’s some probable cause
http://www.immigrationshumancost.org/text/crimevictims.html
After the fact identity demands examples from
http://www.immigrationshumancost.org/text/crimevictims.html
...During a 10-month period (Jan 2009 to Oct. 2009), 1,735 illegal aliens were processed by the Wake County Sheriff’s Office. Of those, 809 were for non-alcohol related traffic offenses, 506 were for drunk driving, 203 were for drug offenses, 153 were for larceny, 102 were for domestic violence, 43 were for weapons offenses, 43 were for sex offenses and 10 were for murder. These numbers were nicely laid out in a chart that had the minor traffic offenses at the top, while the rest of the charges were tabulated in descending order by occurrence...
So while politicians in AZ are getting around to responding to their constituents demands for relief from the costly burden of the invasion, it is not surprising the self appointed defenders of the indefensible are expressing outrage at the nerve of Americans once again fighting to defend themselves from the loss of life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness. A fight only made necessary by the invaders original crime of entering our Country illegally.
The outrage expressed by the open border advocates, those minions of the modern slave masters, just doesn’t matter anymore. The increasing threats of and actual cases of violence committed against the long suffering citizens of the Unted States once again hold precedence. At least in Arizona.
Twisting our laws into a platform for the lawless is a leftist tactic that an awakened America has had their full of.
Continuing the leftist’s insults of We the People, the legitimate back bone of our Nation, will only have the same effect those ‘day without illegals’ marches did back in ‘06.
So go on, get offended over an illegals imagined right. You can even try to use the argument that this bill further erodes the power of our Constitution. The fact of the matter is, the invaders presence in our Country has long been used to destroy the rights of the American working class. We’re just beginning to take them all back.