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To: 2ndDivisionVet

I disagree completely.

America does NOT need “citizenship papers”, REAL ID, biometric computer dossiers, to be fingerprinted, retinal scanned, voice printed, indexed, databased, no-fly listed, child support listed, e-Verify listed, sex offender listed, in ever greater accumulation of defective data by every federal agency and many of our corporations.

That is not liberty or freedom. That is living in a fish bowl surrounded by predator fish. That is how people lived in East Germany, with every other citizen a spy for the secret police.

It is a rotten, horrible way to live. Much of the data is corrupt, and it takes years of misery to get it fixed, if ever. Errors are self-correcting, however, and keep re-contaminating your files as soon as they have been cleaned.

We made it 175 years without that crap, before the powers that be decided it would be easier for *them* if every one of *us* was plastered with ID numbers, all the better to tax and control us.

And like every other stupid system, it is never enough. If there is just one...more...way of dehumanizing us, then *everything* will be easy for them. It never is.


7 posted on 04/23/2010 4:42:03 PM PDT by yefragetuwrabrumuy
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To: yefragetuwrabrumuy

Well said.


8 posted on 04/23/2010 4:50:19 PM PDT by Kenny
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To: yefragetuwrabrumuy

What we need is a wall, 2,000, miles long and 20 feet high topped with razor wire, on our southern border, with adequate patrols, in order to stop the invasion.

Done with less costs than the trillion$ already spent by obama and his minions.


9 posted on 04/23/2010 4:55:50 PM PDT by Graybeard58 (No Romney, not now, not ever!)
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To: yefragetuwrabrumuy

The alternative would be to continue the status quo and allow our country to be completely overrun by illegal aliens?

I agree with you in principle, but what else can we do? The “Great Wall” of America is not going to happen so what should be done?

Just askin’ ;-)


10 posted on 04/23/2010 5:05:31 PM PDT by doc1019
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To: yefragetuwrabrumuy
America does NOT need “citizenship papers”, REAL ID, biometric computer dossiers, to be fingerprinted, retinal scanned, voice printed, indexed, databased, no-fly listed, child support listed, e-Verify listed, sex offender listed, in ever greater accumulation of defective data by every federal agency and many of our corporations.

You make a good point regarding where to draw the line, but that really is the issue isn't it?

In reality - no line is chaos or anarchy. With no level of identification no contractual obligation or legal responsibilities can be effectively enforced or for that matter expected. Should the title to my car become the title to your car because you say you are me? How to resolve the issue?

It isn't usually the existence of a line that creates a problem - it's how certain people or groups use that line to manipulate or control that is.

Where to draw the line?

26 posted on 04/23/2010 6:36:08 PM PDT by !1776!
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