[RWGinger]

This “It is sufficient to show he’s NOT a Natural Born Citizen.”
is the most important issue and one which seems to get shoved aside.
What is the definition of Natrual Born citizen as outlined in our constitution?
It seems pretty clear a Natural Born citizen is one born to 2 US citizens. odumbo is not

But if it turns out here wasn’t born in HI then he wasn’t even a US citizen under the laws in 1961.

[al baby]

Just for argument sake what if he was born in 1958 before hi. became a state?

[Mr Rogers]

“It seems pretty clear a Natural Born citizen is one born to 2 US citizens.”

That is one of two plausible interpretations. To date, the courts and Congress have supported the other one.

[Beckwith]

But if it turns out here wasn’t born in HI then he wasn’t even a US citizen under the laws in 1961.

It's far more complex.