Posted on 04/21/2010 2:21:20 PM PDT by neverdem
You’ll notice this word pop up a lot, and I might remind everyone that it’s a fairly well-established truth that correlation is not causation, though, obviously, that’s what they want you to think. Hence the sensationalistic headlines. If your study doesn’t produce sensationalistic headlines, the people who fund you might start asking, “What do we pay him for, anyway?”
You noticed the people in the study had biopsies I hope. They were sick at least to the point of abnormal liver function tests that other blood tests couldn't explain. You can't do unethical tests on people. So they are reduced to animal tests about which people make complaints or these retrospective questionaires on dietary intake after the fact.
Science is supposed to be all about creating theories that can be falsified by tests. But, obviously, the way they run these “studies,” they’re trying to confirm, not falsify. And surprise, surprise, when they come out with the results, they don’t allege that corn syrup causes liver damage. No, no. That would mean that their theory about the cause-and-effect relationship between corn syrup and bodily damage had been confirmed after withstanding falsification. But the tests aren’t about proving their theory wrong, as we’ve seen. It’s about finding “links” and bending over backwards not to come up with an alternative explanation.
This is human medical science. There are limits to what you can do. After this study do you think they will start a prospective study with one group getting only HFCS-55 and the other sucrose sweetened soft drinks to test for the presence or absense of NAFLD? Depending on source, HFCS-55 is 55% percent fructose and either 40 or 42 percent glucose depending on the source, the rest being other monosaccharides. Than means either 37.5 or 31% more fructose than glucose. When fructose is metabolized it needs one less enzyme than glucose to make glycerol, which happens to make up the spine of triglycerides when glycerol combines with free fatty acids.
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I've made links about those facts or findings on this link's thread.
From commen# 61 on this thread, I repeat myself:
Depending on the source, HFCS-55 is 55% percent fructose and either 40 or 42 percent glucose, the rest being other monosaccharides. Than means either 37.5 or 31% more fructose than glucose. When fructose is metabolized it needs one less enzyme than glucose to make glycerol, which happens to make up the spine of triglycerides when glycerol combines with free fatty acids.
There's a link at the end of commen# 61. Go to comment# 93 on that thread, IIRC, for links to those numbers sources about the percent of glucose.
My local Costco sells, believe it or not, Coca-Cola in 10oz bottles imported from Mexico and made with real sugar. A group of us blind tasted against the HFCS version and everyone agreed the sugar version was superior.
Holistic is not only a buzz word, but it makes no sense in the context that it was used.
Funny thing about your screen name. I have been thinking about children who (used to) grow up on islands where sugar cane was the only source of non-fruit sugar. A kid would definitely not get liver disease or obese from chewing on a stick of sugar cane.
>>Hey, you think there’s a “link” because possibly, maybe, kinda, sorta, it’s in a lotta food and fat people eat a lotta food? Sounds reasonable. <<
Not really, if you believe the “calorie in/calorie out” theory of weight gain.
One person drinking water consuming 1500 to 2000 calories in food a day will not gain weight.
Now take the same amount of food consumption and add soda with sugar on top of it. In a year that person will gain weight because it’s not the amount of food (I can eat a large amount of spinach compared to someone eating burgers) it’s the amount of calories.
Liquids are not food but do have calories AND spike blood sugar that make a body produce insulin and store fat. The problem in the current theory of food consumption vs losing weight is that we eat too little and that’s too little of the right foods. A woman consuming less than 1500 calories finds that her metabolism slows and she cannot lose weight. We need to eat lots and often but make it veggies, lean protein and whole grains.
You are WAY too smart for this thread...
You’re being very kind, but I was always some kind of science junky, my major was chemistry with extra biochem and then med school. It wasn’t that easy, but thank you for the compliment.
I looked at the costco website earlier today and found that there is no costco in my state.
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fyi, food safety legislation coming up in the Senate soon.
Sugar,or Sucrose, is broken down by the body into Glucose and Fructose, but only to the point that it can use both. HFCS is already broken down so the body is flooded with excess Fructose and Glucose and has to do something with it, so it converts the excess to fat.
The article talks about Fructose, but excess Glucose is also a player. There is lots of good science around the health problems with HFCS, to the point that I avoid it and have told my friends to do likewise. I have an MS in Chemistry so follow what is new in science daily. HFCS is not good and will be the next tobacco for tort lawyers. Coke and Pepsi will take big hits.
Thanks for the ping.
Aren’t we using Fructose corn syrups because of the weird sugar supports? Time to bring back real sugar...
“Get your coke from a Mexican market and you will find your coke and pepsi made with sugar.”
I get mine by the case at Costco.
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