The image Microsoft doesn't want you to see: Chinese workers too tired to stay awake !!

Daily Mail ^ | 04/20/2010 | Liz Hull and Lee Sorrell

[HereInTheHeartland]

“The organisation said that one worker was even fined for losing his finger while operating a hole punch press. “

Wow; that's harsh!
Lose a body part and get fined!

It sounds like when my wife wrecked our car on a open road and almost killed herself and 2 of our kids.
No one else involved, or any damage to to anyone elses property.
The deputy that came by made sure that he wrote her up a ticket for failure to maintain control.

I was so glad our law enforcement people had their priorities in place in that situation.

[SeekAndFind]

The policies of the Left make that impossible.

The problem with the left is this -- they see the entire economy as one huge FIXED pie where when some group gets a huge chunk, the rest including them will have to nibble at the edges. Hence, they craft policies that try to equalize the take resulting in a static or shrinking pie where everyone's share gets smaller and smaller.

NEVER in their minds do they ever think that the pie SHOULD and CAN GROW with the right policies that envigorate and encourage entreperenuership and investment such that MOST of us will get a greater and satisfactory portion of a growing pie.

[ColdWater]

Perhaps you haven’t read the full report.

[joe fonebone]

Do you even understand capitalism??? If a company does not treat their employees fairly, they will go elsewhere, period...unless the job requires no particular skill, and can be performed by anyone that has reached the age of 16 years old, regardless of intellegence....to retain skilled employees, you must treat them fairly, or your competition steals them from you...If you do not understand this basic principal, you are either a liberal troll, or a union hack..there is no middle ground..please tell me which you are....

[Pan_Yan]

This report and the accompanying photos come from a group called the National Labour Committee. If you go to their web site and press the donate button it takes you here:

https://salsa.democracyinaction.org/o/677/t/10607/shop/custom.jsp?donate_page_KEY=5991

Notice that they are tied to the hips with Democracy in Action, whose motto is “Wiring the Progressive Movement.”

DIA of course, works for Code Pink, NAACP, ACORN, etc, etc, etc.

So, to summarize, you posted a NYT article about a report from the NLC and you expect it to be treated as factual journalism? Did you see this article on the Moveon.org or HuffPost?

[SeekAndFind]

you posted a NYT article about a report from the NLC

Correction : I posted an article from teh DAILY MAIL.

[SeekAndFind]

....to retain skilled employees, you must treat them fairly, or your competition steals them from you...

This either/or kind of black and white thinking does little to convince. Look at where this is happening --- THIS IS CHINA, not the good old USA where we have the constitution and labor laws based on diginity of humans.

This country China is still run by Mandarins who are in control of a party called the Communist Party ( yes, they're still in control even if you don't want to believe it ).

The country is trying to run as a hybrid socialist/capitalist oligarchy and no matter how you want to make it look similar to the USA where there is competition, it doesn't work that way there.

[Pan_Yan]

That’s what happens when I PWW (Post While Working).

[SeekAndFind]

Perhaps you haven’t read the full report.

No I have not. Have you ? However, what I have already read tells me that what they're doing isn't even in conformity to Chinese labor laws.

The Seatle Post Intelligencer reports thusly :

"Two KYE Systems factories have been cited by the Chinese government for labor violations after the alleged mistreatment of workers who manufacture Microsoft hardware there."

[papertyger]

And let’s not forget, the Chinese *like* an ambient temperature of about 85 degrees.

[ColdWater]

Seems your Seattle P-I is another liberal ‘rag’ ...

http://americandigest.org/mt-archives/these_just_in/buhbye_to_the_p.php

http://forums.somd.com/news-current-events/166204-seattle-p-i-chopping-block.html

[spetznaz]

It was not an argument.

It was a statement.

[PugetSoundSoldier]

You speak the truth! I hate working in China in July... It's 105 outside, 98% humidity, I'm sweating like a glacier in Phoenix (being an overweight white guy raised in Seattle where 80 degrees is jump-in-the-50 deg ocean hot), and they're just starting to roll up their shirtsleeves.

I was in Shenzhen two weeks ago, where it was 68-70 during the day, and everyone still had their thick padded and woolen winter coats on!

[papertyger]

We did Nanchang last August...and we’re from FLORIDA!

It wouldn’t have been so bad if the Chinese also didn’t seem to have a disdain for forced air, along with their preference for higher temps. We were in a four star hotel, and it took four hours for the AC to bring the temp down four degrees.

I’d have given a hundred dollars for one of those battery powered toy fans by the third day.

[PugetSoundSoldier]

Ick! One word for your next visit: Sofitel.

Best hotel chain in China. GREAT A/C - and heat for winter - systems. REAL soft beds we Westerners like (not granite with a blanket style). Stylish and comfortable rooms, plenty of pressure in the fixtures (they have their own water pressure boosters), and always a great breakfast with a wide variety of Chinese and Western style foods.

Yes, Sofitel is a bit more, but is worth it.

Unless you want to REALLY blow your mind - then stay at a Howard Johnson’s in China. It’s a 5 star chain over there, really top-notch; the HoJo in Shanghai is equivalent to any Ritz Carlton I’ve stayed in. Freaks people out when you tell them you’re putting them up at the HoJo!

[BamaBlue]

Haven’t gone through the entire thread but this is not unusual for China. And a caveat I haven’t been to China since 2005. We were looking at a plant in Xinxiang north of Zhengzhou to do a joint venture. They had over 1,000 workers that a plant in the states would employ only about 150. The vast majority of the workers lived in dormitories behind the plant and they were all fed out of the company mess (and it was) hall. This was a very modern plant with the latest technology.

There were other plants I visited that had to be out of the industrial revolution here in the States. Dark, smoke filled, virtually every worker maimed in some way.

I value that experience to bring home the point the I am truly blessed to be born in this great country (that some a$$holes are trying to tear down). It truly reinforces what I knew all the time.