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The story of an $8,000 exhaust filter, cleaner air and the busy hand of NY state government
The Post Standard-Syracuse NY ^ | April 18, 2010, 8:33AM | By Michelle Breidenbach

Posted on 04/18/2010 6:53:47 AM PDT by Behind Liberal Lines

The U.S. government passed new emissions standards that required new diesel-powered cars and trucks to use the filters. New York state government helped Corning build the new plant. Then, the state passed its own emissions law that forces owners of old diesel vehicles used on state contracts to install the filters — an upgrade that could cost as much as $30,000 each....

With eight months to go, there is also no coordinated effort to retrofit the state’s own fleet. The DEC cannot say how many trucks have been done. The Division of Budget does not have a cost estimate. Each agency is doing its own thing.

Almost 3,000 Department of Transportation vehicles fell under the new law.

The agency will have to finish retrofitting 883 vehicles before the end of the year. It could cost anywhere from $1.5 million to $26 million, a spokeswoman said.

Other state agencies are waiting to see what the state Legislature does next before spending thousands of dollars on old trucks and buses.

(Excerpt) Read more at syracuse.com ...


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Front Page News; Government; US: New York
KEYWORDS: corning; diesel; filter; lping; pork
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To: Behind Liberal Lines

Diesel emissions are nasty, and I think a lot could be done to clean them up. But putting a mandate with this kind of price tag will just flush jobs down the toilet. Governments are incapable of using common sense or steering clear of corruption. The less involvement they have, the better.


21 posted on 04/18/2010 7:45:34 AM PDT by CalvaryJohn (What is keeping that damned asteroid?)
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To: bamahead
We all must be able to spell "hypocrisy" by now.




22 posted on 04/18/2010 7:46:04 AM PDT by Lady Jag (Double your income... Fire the government)
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To: Behind Liberal Lines
"More than 1 million adults and 370,000 children in New York have asthma, which is exacerbated by diesel emissions. Every year, 12,800 New Yorkers are diagnosed with lung cancer and 5,000 people die from it, according to the group."

All 12,800 New Yorkers diagnosed with lung cancer used water. Did the water cause the lung cancer?

23 posted on 04/18/2010 7:48:21 AM PDT by DUMBGRUNT (The best is the enemy of the good!)
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To: Behind Liberal Lines

Perhaps the New York Legislature should make idiocy a crime and then install bars and locked doors on the capitol building.


24 posted on 04/18/2010 7:48:35 AM PDT by The Great RJ ("The problem with socialism is that you eventually run out of other people's money." M. Thatcher)
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To: VampireStateNY; governsleastgovernsbest; gaspar; NativeNewYorker; drjimmy; Atticus; ...

Upstate NY bump


25 posted on 04/18/2010 7:49:36 AM PDT by Behind Liberal Lines
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To: Willie Green

This ex-pat New Yorker (and Corning resident to boot) left that hell hole 16 years ago and has never looked back. All I have met since leaving NY has been personal and business success.


26 posted on 04/18/2010 7:56:19 AM PDT by Finatic ("you see kids were so much wiser after the wars")
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To: Behind Liberal Lines

1 Iceland Volcano eruption = infinite diesel engine’s exhaust


27 posted on 04/18/2010 7:59:03 AM PDT by VRWC For Truth (Throw the bums out who vote yes on the bail out)
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To: VRWC For Truth

Yep, tell when they tax the volcano, then and only then, can they tax the little emitter.


28 posted on 04/18/2010 8:01:06 AM PDT by norraad ("What light!">Blues Brothers)
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To: Stegall Tx

“Oh, and did anyone think about the effect adding $8,000 to the cost of a more fuel-efficient vehicle (ie, turbo-diesel) would have on the overall economy? One reason we don’t have small diesel engines as an option on American vehicles is stupid environmental laws. Here’s another one!”

The Smart Car available anywhere else in the world but here is powered by a 750CC turbodiesel and gets well over 60 MPG. Here, it’s crippled and a Prius gets better gas mileage. Your Gooberment at work.

Send a “message” to Washington. Fire them ALL.


29 posted on 04/18/2010 8:02:19 AM PDT by The Antiyuppie ("When small men cast long shadows, then it is very late in the day.")
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To: Behind Liberal Lines
Another approved "green job" brought to you by Obama!


30 posted on 04/18/2010 8:06:23 AM PDT by VeniVidiVici (Alfred E. Neuman for President! Oh, wait a minute ...)
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To: Behind Liberal Lines
I tried looking online trying to find out what is so special about these diesel filters that they cost so much to install them in a diesel truck, and the best article I was able to find that went into some detail about the filters is here:

Corning bets huge on diesel

In summary, as I understand it, it cost a lot of money in research and the process that was found to work to make a reliable and effective filter requires some very special and expensive manufacturing techniques.

That said, my personal opinion is that modern life requires a well thought out balance with necessary compromises between many different factors. Factors such as environmental concerns have to be considered with economic impact.

It's nice to want cleaner air, but the standards (levels of emissions) have to be well-thought out with the total end result in mind (is this going to make sense economically, is having cleaner air with more people out of work a worthwhile trade off, etc.).

I see it more that the politicians make the rules, the companies know this, and keep their ear to the ground in trying to predict upcoming legal requirements and thereby throw their money into research into new products that will be required by the new legislation.

As per the above referenced article, Corning still spent 30 million dollars in less than a year to develop the technology for making the filters. Their scientists did what they had to do to develop a marketable product.

On our end of things - not being law-makers or research scientists, etc. - we can only try to be heard to demand that the legislators make intelligent choices that reflect all the real world practical considerations involved in any proposed law.

31 posted on 04/18/2010 8:13:05 AM PDT by Screaming_Gerbil (...he that hath no sword, let him sell his garment, and buy one... Luke 22:36)
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To: steelyourfaith

ping


32 posted on 04/18/2010 8:32:04 AM PDT by bamahead (Few men desire liberty; most men wish only for a just master. -- Sallust)
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To: Behind Liberal Lines

Can’t dig mines, can’t drill new oil or gas wells, can’t put up smelters, can build new gasoline refineries, can’t harvest wood, can’t disturb swamps or bogs (wetlands), can’t farm, can’t commercially fish, can’t put up shopping centers (without some union’s permission), can’t drive a vehicle without the EPA’s or DEC’s permission, can’t paint, can’t dig a hole, can’t burn rubbish. Can’t throw out scrap building materials.

This government interference for the whims of environmentalists (pronounced commies as green is the new red) has got to stop.
There won’t be a farm or business left in NYS and there won’t be any tax paying citizens left either.


33 posted on 04/18/2010 8:41:37 AM PDT by BuffaloJack (The beatings will increase until morale and the economy improves.)
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To: VeniVidiVici

You better have an EPA/CARB approved engine on that lawnmower...seriously.


34 posted on 04/18/2010 8:43:20 AM PDT by The Antiyuppie ("When small men cast long shadows, then it is very late in the day.")
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To: FrankR
...if I had a diesel automobile, it would be cheaper to trade it in on a gasoline model than to retrofit it.

Who would you trade it to? The value will go through the floor, cause whoever buys it will have to include the retrofit in their valuations. If this doesn't end up being some kind of nationwide EPA mandate there will be a possibility of selling out of state. I can see some enterprising businessmen paying pennies on the dollar then transporting the diesels out of state and selling them at retail, but inside the state, the diesels will be worth squat.

35 posted on 04/18/2010 8:53:07 AM PDT by Richard Kimball (We're all criminals. They just haven't figured out what some of us have done yet.)
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To: Behind Liberal Lines
This is a perfect illustration of the "green economy".

Government creates a fake market by mandating we buy something; then spends taxpayer money to build a plant to provide it. Politicians show up to brag about all the new jobs they've created.

No one's around, though, when businesses shut down or move away because the mandates made them unprofitable.

36 posted on 04/18/2010 9:33:33 AM PDT by BfloGuy (It is not from the benevolence of the butcher, the brewer, or the baker, that we can expect . . .)
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To: Richard Kimball
"Who would you trade it to?"

You're right...better still, leave the keys in it, maybe one of those car theft gangs that sells them overseas, or, just "part them out"...if all else fails, there is always the salvage yard.
37 posted on 04/18/2010 9:42:41 AM PDT by FrankR (Those of us who love AMERICA far outnumber those who love obama - your choice.)
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To: Brilliant

And if they had a half a brain they’ll stay out of Calipornia where the Cargo Cult Liberals are in charge.


38 posted on 04/18/2010 10:45:29 AM PDT by GeronL (Entitlement Zombies will become real zombies when the money runs out)
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To: Behind Liberal Lines
The agency will have to finish retrofitting 883 vehicles before the end of the year.
It could cost anywhere from $1.5 million to $26 million, a spokeswoman said.

Another Math Expert that works for the Gubmint. Which is is butt head?
Come on, pick a number, it's not that hard:

See mizzzz gubmint 'spokeswoman'. It's easy as π

;-)

39 posted on 04/18/2010 12:48:50 PM PDT by Condor51 (SAT CONG!)
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To: Behind Liberal Lines

Just one more way to crash the economy. What the he** is the US going to do if most of it’s trucks are sidelined in a few months? The government has gone bat sh** crazy and we are going to have to stop it.


40 posted on 04/18/2010 1:58:37 PM PDT by calex59
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