President George Washington racks up $300,000 late fee for two Manhattan library books

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[fidelis]

On a semi-related note, there’s the story of a visitor to the home of Benjamin Franklin who was impressed with the large number of books Franklin had in his personal library.

When asked how he managed to have so many books, Franklin replied, “I have made it a point never to lend out any of my books. In fact, most of what you see here was borrowed from someone else!”

[BP2]

On Oct. 5, 1789, Washington borrowed the "Law of Nations," a treatise on international relations, and Vol. 12 of the "Commons Debates," which contained transcripts of debates from Britain's House of Commons.

I'm fairly sure that Washington did NOT speak or read French, certainly not fluently. It seems unlikely he's borrow a book in a language that he didn't read; he was a little too busy as the first president to learn French in on the job.

As such, the assumption that the Framers ONLY had access to the French version of "Laws of Nations", not translated in American into English until 1797, is being shown more and more to be FALSE.

This is very important to the SCOTUS (and to Eligibility attorneys in the Appeals process) in defining "natural-born Citizen", applying references used at the time by the Framers; a BIG problem for Barack Obama, whose father was never a US Citizen.

As Minor v. Happersett (1874) instructs: "The Constitution does not, in words, say who shall be natural-born citizens. Resort must be had elsewhere to ascertain that."

Vattel's "Laws of Nations":

Washington and Jay very likely borrowed from the Manhattan library the same 1760 English translation of Vattel's "Law of Nations" that Otis and others personally owned.

[rxsid]

"President George Washington racks up $300,000 late fee for two Manhattan library books"

"On Oct. 5, 1789, Washington borrowed the "Law of Nations," a treatise on international relations, and Vol. 12 of the "Commons Debates," which contained transcripts of debates from Britain's House of Commons."

So the "dusty, beaten-up ledger" was discovered in a trash heap in the library's basement in 1934. Yet...it was just NOW discovered that President Washington had the two books "overdue?" Or, perhaps this is not new news, but is being re-reported? Interesing timing (esp. the bit about the "Law of Nations" book).

[BP2]

We need help from the researchers on the Eligibility Ping crew in finding digitized or photocopied pages from the 1760 English London edition of Vattel’s “Law of Nations”. We specifically need to find Chap. XIX, Sect. 212 from the 1760 London edition containing “natural-born citizen”. We've yet to find a 1760 version with the pages that might contain the NBC phrase that the Framers would have used, only the 1797 American version, also published in London.

This is very important in defining “natural-born citizen” before the Courts, in showing Barack Obama cannot be a “natural-born citizen” having only ONE American citizen parent.

Background:

Some experts have argued that the Framers could NOT have used an English translation of Vattel, as the original 1758 French version's corresponding wording of “Les Naturels, ou indigènes” obviously does not match the English wording of “natural-born citizen” as it appears in the Constitution ... including the corresponding hyphen between "natural-born". The first American edition of “Law of Nations” was not publish until 1797.

However, we continue to have stronger evidence that when the Constitution was written in 1787, the Framers used the 1760 English version of “Law of Nations” from London, 10 years before the 1797 “Law of Nations” American edition was even released. This likely includes the “natural-born citizens” clause requested by Washington and John Jay and inserted by the Second and Third Committee of Eleven delegates in 1787.

Except for some expanded paragraphs in the introduction of the 1797 version, a comparison between the 35 online pages in the 1760 English version of Vattel’s "Law of Nations" (available at http://hua.umf.maine.edu/Reading_Revolutions/Vattel.html) with pages in the 1797 American edition (http://www.archive.org/stream/lawnationsorpri00vattgoog#page/n4/mode/1up) show a virtual MATCH. This STRONGLY indicates that the 1797 American version was almost directly copied from the 1760 English London version.

This is a fact seemingly lost by many experts on the issue — that the 1760 version is the origin of the “natural-born citizens” phrase that appears in the US Constitution.

We also have direct evidence (SHOWN BELOW) that Patriot Boston attorney James Otis used the 1760 English London version in his 1765 pamphlet, with Otis’ reference (Chap XVI Sect. 102 [pg N164]) appearing JUST EIGHT PAGES before the location that the “natural-born citizen” phrase should appear in the 1760 version.

But we really need a clear digital, microform or photo copy showing that the EXACT “natural-born citizen” phrase definitely appeared in the 1760 English London edition that the Framers likely used to write the Constitution.

Worldcat requests for copies from one of the remaining 1760 English London edition via the British Library is not yet yielding results.

--- Please post or ping if you find anything ---

[bgill]

Interesing timing (esp. the bit about the "Law of Nations" book).

Yeah, you caught that too, huh...

[bgill]

Check your mail.

[rxsid]

"I'm fairly sure that Washington did NOT speak or read French, certainly not fluently."

Indeed. Washington was one of the founders who did NOT read French.

We can be sure that Washington never read Collignon's book, since he did not read French, but he passed a copy on to Thomas Jefferson, who did.

Collignon was a French lawyer who sent Washington two copies of his treatise on weights and measures in March, 1790.

[AEMILIUS PAULUS]

It is well known that evil white slave owners are people prone to keep library books.

[rxsid]

212. "Of the citizens and natives"

From this English (London) version:

(MDCCLIX) which would translate into 1759.

From that site:
http://hua.umf.maine.edu/Reading_Revolutions/Vattel.html

[pissant]

BUMP

[ConservativeMan55]

bttt

[Red Steel]

Noted bump.

[bgill]

Ok, so why can’t we contact libraries and ask for them to fax copies of Vol. I, pages 91-98.

[BP2]

> Ok, so why can’t we contact libraries and ask for them to fax copies of Vol. I, pages 91-98.

I've found only one bound copy thus far on Worldcat, at the British Library:
http://www.worldcat.org/title/law-of-nations-translated-from-the-french/oclc/504684014

They've been non-responsive to any requests.

[STARWISE]

Emmerich, are you not shocked to learn that, more than 200+ years after your treatise, and long after your death, you and your wise counsel are the subjects of current popular note and quotation, and still bear so much bearing on America and her survival ? God bless you.

C L I C K

[STARWISE]

~~Ping to above

[BP2]

Emmerich, are you not shocked to learn that, more than 200+ years after your treatise, and long after your death, you and your wise counsel are the subjects of current popular note and quotation, and still bear so much bearing on America and her survival ? God bless you.

And while the Founding Fathers roll over in their graves, Lady Liberty weeps at how Emmerich's simple definition requiring TWO citizen parents for a president to be deemed a "natural-born citizen" could have gotten so warped and misconstrued by the Left as to allow a British subject — with only ONE American citizen parent — to become the ONE man who enslaves her Free People with the yoke of Socialism and Central Government Control.

[rxsid]

" Ok, so why can’t we contact libraries and ask for them to fax copies of Vol. I, pages 91-98.

I've found only one bound copy thus far on Worldcat, at the British Library:
http://www.worldcat.org/title/law-of-nations-translated-from-the-french/oclc/504684014

They've been non-responsive to any requests.

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Is anyone near Boston??? A trip to the "Social Law Library" on the 4th and 5th floors of the John Adams Courthouse could prove useful.

"Original Shelf list of the Social Law Library in Boston, Massachusetts:

The Social Law Library of Boston, Massachusetts is one of the oldest law libraries in the United States. It was founded in 1803 by a group of eminent Boston lawyers who pooled their resources and sent an agent to England to acquire law books and bring them back to the Commonwealth. The agent returned with the following set of books in 1804.

The library has grown over the years and is now a very large law library on fourth and fifth floors of the John Adams Courthouse in Boston.

This shelf list was provided to me by one of the head librarians at the Social Law Library in March 2009. Most of the books described are still available for use.

108. Vattel’s Law of Nations (1759)"

http://www.librarything.com/topic/62348

Apparently, a copy can also be found at the Boston College Law Library:
http://openlibrary.org/b/OL18683993M/law_of_nations_or_Principles_of_the_laws_of_nature