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To: etraveler13
Obama traveled to Indonesia, Pakistan, Southern India and Kenya in 1981. He said he went to Indonesia to see his mother. This seemed plausible, except for the fact that his mother returned to Hawaii in August of 1980 to file for a divorce from her second husband, Lolo Soetoro.

Yes, but she went back to Indonesia to continue her career as an anthropologist, and she lived there until she found out she had ovarian cancer, which I believe was late 1994.

Unless she went back to pal around with the man she divorced, she wasn’t there at the time of Obama’s visit.

No, she went back to continue her career as an anthropologist.

There’s another problem. No record of Obama holding an American passport prior

How do you know that?

Since Obama had to apply for a US Passport to travel for the state,

How do you know he had to apply for a passport to travel for the state? What is your evidence?

it implies that he never held a previous US Passport, or he would simply be updating and existing one. Passports have to be updated in the US every 5 years, same thing in Indonesia. Which is why he went to indonesia when his mother was in Hawaii.

You have no evidence of either a) that he applied for an Indonesian passport or b) that his mother was in Hawaii when he was in Indonesia. In point of fact, given that she had been living in Indonesia since 1977 (with, perhaps, a brief stay in Hawaii in 1980 to file for divorce), it is more that likely that she was in Indonesia when he was there in 1981.

You have produced no evidence that his had a US passport at the time either, have you.

Passport application records are protected by privacy laws.

Yet, he had to apply, rather than re-apply for his Senate passport, according to court records filed by 3 attorneys.

Unfortuantely, unsubstantiated assertions by attorneys don't count as evidenece of anything.

To date, no attorney has produced any evidence that Obama made a first-time application for a US passport when he was a Senator. If you know of such evidence, please direct me to it.

But you can wipe all their statements out, by simply proving your side of the argument that he had a US Passport. Show us all how brilliant your are, and produce evidence.

I'm not the one making the allegation that he had a foriegn passport. That puts the burden of proof on you, not me.

Given that he was a US citizen at one point, and that there are no provisions in the 1952 Immigration and Nationality Act under which he would have lost his citizenship, then the presumption must he traveled on a US passport, until it is proven otherwise.

No, your wrong, the divorce was filed in August 1980,

I said it was filed in the summer of 1980. Are you now denying that August is in the summer?

the tail end of the Semester at Occidental, and 4 weeks before the fall semester at Columbia.

So?

Your as bad as Curiosity, you shoot the messenger and ignore the message.

Berg is acting like whitness, not a messenger. You are asking me to take his word for something. Unfortunately, given his history as a 9-11 truther, his word is worthless.

Facts are facts, unless you can disprove them,

You got it backwards. Something isn't a fact until it is proven. Until then, it is mere speculation, and when coming from someone like Berg, with a history of lying, it can be presumed false until prove true.

So, your calling him a liar without hearing the evidence.

I'm calling him a liar because he has a history of lying. As to hearing his evidence, I'd be happy to do it. Unfortunately, he hasn't produced any.

You call him a liar and conspiracy theorist,

So you think his theory that Bush was behind 9-11 is plausible?

Your correct, those records are part of lawsuits, yet to be heard, but not debated by Obama himself.

There doesn't need to be a lawsuit heard in order for there to be public record. Either that public record exists, or it does not. Where is it?

He sealed his passport records as well.

He did nothing of the sort. His passport records are protected by privacy laws, just like yours and mine.

That SHE stated that Kenya was her husbands HOME country, not America.

It prove nothing. Unfortunately, lots of first-generation US-born children of immigrants refer to their parents' country of origin as their home country.

1,223 posted on 04/20/2010 2:05:21 PM PDT by curiosity
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To: curiosity

Scribd has all the lawsuits Berg filed, I will not dig them up for you.
Since you are not open to what these lawyers are filing, or even the possibility that they may be correct, it is now evident to me that nothing much will be accepted by you.


You cannot prove that he has a US Passport, or ever had a US passport, but two people were fired and one was shot execution style for, it appears, trying to find out.

Passport information is available thru FOIA by attorneys, law enforcement, and the secret service all the time.

I hold you to the same standard you hold me to. Prove it, or say its your opinion, or its outstanding litigation. But then, litigation means nothing unless its heard by the courts and decided on.


1,227 posted on 04/20/2010 4:52:52 PM PDT by etraveler13
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