Posted on 04/13/2010 8:19:14 AM PDT by Man50D
Then there is no hope for me whatsoever. I'm a fool who believes we can't have soldiers who think they can disobey any orders they are given because they dispute the President's credentials. That's not an Army, it's a mob.
Fine. But in both cases you were exercising your individual judgement about what was lawful and what was not and you were convinced that you were right. Do you believe that a court-martial panel would have been justified in preventing you from presenting evidence of the unlawfulness of the orders?
Should the time come that Lakin is provided subpoena power, I would not be surprised if he is not permitted to subpoena the President himself. But I will be very disappointed if the panel refuses to permit subpoena of documents in the archives of the state of Hawaii.
The burden of proof in this case should be on Lakin and he should be allowed to bear that burden. But the burden of proof of Obama's eligibility was and is on him. It's nonsense what he has been able to hide. What possible repercussions, aside from eligibility, would justify a President of the United States hiding the details of his birth?
Incorrect. Congress is responsible, not the judiciary.
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It's up to Congress to interpret the Constitutional meaning of NBC? Surely you jest.
Very true, and now it's up to the SCOTUS to determine bammies eligibility just as the treasury has the last say on what is legal currency.
The electors were duped in the same way as the bank teller in my example.
Really, perhaps you prove that.
Filing an Article 138 complaint is the UCMJ process to pose this grivance...which I just found out that he has done. It is posted above.
That case you have cited means bupkiss.
An Indiana appellate courts ruling for the purpose of establishing obama's eligibility is meaningless as well as a completely flawed decision.
Calling people names is really beneath you though your arguments have been going downhill for a while now.
Amazing, and it must make you as mad as hell just typing that out. How hopeless can this get?
“Do you believe that a court-martial panel would have been justified in preventing you from presenting evidence of the unlawfulness of the orders?”
They wouldn’t have needed any. The orders were illegal, and obviously so. I didn’t need to see my Commander’s commissioning papers, or ‘discover’ squat. For example, the logbook sheets had a note on them that filling in false information was a crime, punishable by fines of up to $10,000. I didn’t have a legal theory, I had facts.
Now, if Lakin has proof that Obama was born in Kenya, he’ll do fine. But for ‘discovery’, at most he will be allowed to see a copy of the previously posted Birth Certificate. He won’t be allowed to challenge its veracity unless he had PROOF!
My daughter’s birth certificate from New Mexico issued by the Bureau of Vital Records is proof she was born in New Mexico. I don’t even know if New Mexico has any other records!
Likewise, the military court will find that Obama has a birth certificate from Hawaii...and that will be enough UNLESS Lakin has some evidence of tampering. And if he does, then he could present it now.
I’d LOVE to see evidence that Obama was born in Kenya, or anywhere outside of the USA. But there is none, and birthers just claim the lack of evidence is PROOF of the conspiracy.
It doesn’t work that way.
So you do believe bammie is a fraud after all.
No comment on Nancy Pelosi filing two different documents with the DNC, which were sent to the SOS of those states?
“Calling people names is really beneath you though your arguments have been going downhill for a while now.”
little jeremiah called me a liar. Frankly, I’d rather be called stupid.
Birthers have also called me an Obamabot, suggested I’ve been paid by Obama, that I hate the military that I spent over 25 years in, etc.
I called lj stupid because someone who ignores the facts is stupid. And while you are well within your rights to disagree with the Indiana appellate courts ruling (backed up by the Indiana Supreme Court), you cannot say it is meaningless. States determine how to decide if someone meets constitutional requirements. State courts have the right to review that process. And in this case, the courts determined that Obama IS a natural born citizen, and gave their reasoning.
I’ve always maintained that I think Obama is ultimately ineligible.
But a fraud? No, he’s exactly what he advertised himself to be: an America-hating Marxist who wants to run this country into the ground.
I suspect they will go on statements by state officials, or at most get a copy of the birth certificate that birthers claim means nothing...
That's because this situation has never occurred before....the blame lies with obama.
The attitude is very revealing.
Strange fellow.
Why such transparent urgency among the suckups?
bttt
He is the perfect example of why the Founders put the NBC clause in the Constitution.
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