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Obama’s Waterloo (Don’t buy conservative doomsaying on health care. Repeal is possible)
NRO ^ | APRIL 12, 2010 | ADAM HUME

Posted on 04/13/2010 3:15:53 AM PDT by RobinMasters

Since Obamacare moved unsteadily over the first finishing line, liberals have been jubilant and conservatives wracked by variations on depression, including existential despair. This is a rare emotion on the right, and even when experienced, it tends to be expressed inappropriately. John Derbyshire’s hilarious We Are Doomed is the nearest thing to a conservative suicide note. Its exuberance undermines its professions of despair.

But the argument that socialized health care, once firmly established, will both ensure liberal majorities into the foreseeable future and starve the defense budget is a realistic prediction of a serious threat. In such circumstances, as Mark Steyn points out in his distinctive blend of hilarity and doomsaying, conservative parties in order to be elected would gradually cease to offer conservative policies. A generation or two later, conservatives themselves would die out or — let us look on the bright side — “evolve” into the sober half of a fully social-democratic political spectrum. And all this time, U.S. power in the world would be shrinking.

Hence an unusually passionate internal Republican debate over repeal. If Obamacare covers the euthanasia of conservatives, then it must surely be the aim of the GOP to repeal it. Replacing or reforming it would be fine, too, provided that what emerges is something very different from a state-financed and state-run health-care system. But here Republican despair springs its final trap: It is alleged to be impossible to repeal Obamacare (or any other government entitlement program) since the voters will never give up a “free” benefit, however costly it proves in taxes, freedom, or health.

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1 posted on 04/13/2010 3:15:53 AM PDT by RobinMasters
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2 posted on 04/13/2010 3:16:03 AM PDT by RobinMasters
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To: RobinMasters

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3 posted on 04/13/2010 3:16:58 AM PDT by BunnySlippers (I LOVE BULL MARKETS . . .)
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To: RobinMasters
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4 posted on 04/13/2010 3:22:34 AM PDT by chicken head
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To: RobinMasters

Once started a Federal Program is never repealed. Our health care system is now destroyed. It is only a matter of time. I have no faith that we can recover from this socialist plauge.


5 posted on 04/13/2010 3:23:26 AM PDT by screaminsunshine (i)
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To: screaminsunshine

What about the”Welfare Reform Act” of 1994? It DID reduce welfare by 50% or more.

Besides, to make the claim something cannot be done because it has never before been done is senseless and does not in any way take into account the feelings of the voting public, who in this case are hugely against this program where with other programs they were not.

I have no idea if this will be repealed, but there is certainly the chance and a decent one this will occur.If not that then I feel for sure there will be massive changes and or a move to simply not fund te huge bureaucracy created by this unwanted legislation.


6 posted on 04/13/2010 3:33:31 AM PDT by 101voodoo
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To: RobinMasters
Obama’s Waterloo (Don’t buy conservative doomsaying on health care. Repeal is possible)

Not only is it possible, it's absolutely imperative if this country is to survive.
0bamcare can and WILL be repealed. There is no “if’s” or “but’s” about.

7 posted on 04/13/2010 3:34:03 AM PDT by SmokingJoe
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To: screaminsunshine
Once started a Federal Program is never repealed.

Just watch the tsunami that sweeps this country in the November elections hen get back to me.

8 posted on 04/13/2010 3:36:29 AM PDT by SmokingJoe
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To: screaminsunshine

Once started a Federal Program is never repealed. Our health care system is now destroyed. It is only a matter of time. I have no faith that we can recover from this socialist plauge.


Historically accurate, but overlooks the fact that this socialist boondoggle, as of now, has been started only in name.

It is still possible to kill this thing before it really gets off the ground. At the very least there is no reason why its most oneous provisions cannot be gutted, but its got to be done quickly.


9 posted on 04/13/2010 3:38:06 AM PDT by UK_Jeffersonian
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To: screaminsunshine

Have faith.

The reason previous entitlement programs have never been appealed is both the taxes and benefits were provided to EVERYONE. Many, many people had/have a stake in them.

This bill is the opposite of that; a fatal mistake in planning, and will be it’s downfall.

This bill changes and penalizes the 85% of people who have insurance now, it benefits only 30 million (10%). And “benefits” is a term I use loosely, as the majority of them will be dumped into the failed Medicaid program, which has a critical shortage of providers. Kinda like having a library card in Iowa, but no library exists until you get to Nebraska.

The way for it to be repealed is this:

They write a bill that repeals the whole thing by name and number. In the SAME bill they include those few elements that have been proved helpful in the original bill, plus any new provisions that will be helpful. That is how you “repeal and replace.”

You do it in one step. And make sure there is a President Palin, Romney, Gingrich, Pawlenty or whoever else to SIGN IT.


10 posted on 04/13/2010 3:46:12 AM PDT by Daisyjane69 (Michael Reagan: "Welcome back, Dad, even if you're wearing a dress and bearing children this time)
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To: 101voodoo
What about the”Welfare Reform Act” of 1994? It DID reduce welfare by 50% or more.

Besides, to make the claim something cannot be done because it has never before been done is senseless and does not in any way take into account the feelings of the voting public, who in this case are hugely against this program where with other programs they were not.

I have no idea if this will be repealed, but there is certainly the chance and a decent one this will occur.If not that then I feel for sure there will be massive changes and or a move to simply not fund te huge bureaucracy created by this unwanted legislation.

Thank you, 101voodoo, for typing those words. You just brightened my morning.

I was already thinking something along these lines and when I read your post it was great to see someone thinking the same way.

I don't feel like it's over-optimism to say "we can reverse this... this will not stand".

Of course it's going to be hard work. The hardest work we've ever had to do.

But we can do it and we'll all be better for having stood up to the communists and defeated them on our shores.

11 posted on 04/13/2010 3:53:21 AM PDT by samtheman
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Boehner: Repealing healthcare law Republicans’ ‘No. 1 priority’ in 2010

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2491852/posts


12 posted on 04/13/2010 3:58:39 AM PDT by Rocky (REPEAL IT!)
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To: RobinMasters

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13 posted on 04/13/2010 4:03:13 AM PDT by fightinJAG (Sic semper tyrannis! Stop spending. Starve the beast.)
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If republicans take the reins of power in 2012 the only sensible thing to do is to split the union. If done when repubs are in control it could go smoothly...and be established fact long before a demorat could do anything about it.

Immigration reform will mean that eventually dems will win all power, so splitting the union just makes sense.

Contiguous red states across the south united. The blue states would soon be bankrupt. To make sure they don’t crash the party and move to the red zone just make certain there is no welfare of any kind! Work or starve!


14 posted on 04/13/2010 4:03:52 AM PDT by Bobalu (Free men are not equal. Equal men are not free.)
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To: Rocky

Exactly...first we win control of the budget process by winning the House.

Then you “starve” it of startup funds. You ALSO starve the agitator groups that replaced ACORN (hear that Mr. Boehner?) in order to neutralize its activists. If they’re so thrilled about it, make them volunteer to work for free, same as the Tea Partiers are working for free right now.

And one more thing. I hope Mr. Boehner rethinks his notion of “not treating the minority as we have been treated” in case we take over the House. I want the minority party treated EXACTLY like the Republicans have been treated, for however Obama remains in office.

PERIOD


15 posted on 04/13/2010 4:13:54 AM PDT by Daisyjane69 (Michael Reagan: "Welcome back, Dad, even if you're wearing a dress and bearing children this time)
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I hope it is more like obama and nazi pelosi’s Stalingrad.


16 posted on 04/13/2010 4:14:55 AM PDT by Londo Molari
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To: RobinMasters

Possible, yes. Probable, no.


17 posted on 04/13/2010 4:17:18 AM PDT by nonliberal (Graduate: Curtis E. LeMay School of International Relations)
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To: RobinMasters
Repeal is possible, but it won't be possible to override Obama's presidential veto of the repeal until 2012, because we won't have enough seats after this election even if we take every seat up for reelection. However, as long as we have a majority in Congress we can defund it. And Congress can and should get really tough with Obama,

Congress may also chip away at the Healthcare bill, by revisiting the conservative amendments to it, and making Obama veto each one.

18 posted on 04/13/2010 4:41:27 AM PDT by DannyTN
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It won't get repealed. Has Social Security been repealed, or even fixed? No. How 'bout Medicare? Nope. Welcome to the new "normal"

Banana Republic, small
19 posted on 04/13/2010 4:44:45 AM PDT by Oceander (The Price of Freedom is Eternal Vigilance -- Thos. Jefferson)
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Didn’t those two programs begin paying out from the word go?


20 posted on 04/13/2010 5:13:38 AM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (I am in America but not of America (per bible: am in the world but not of it))
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