Posted on 04/12/2010 4:50:37 PM PDT by jamese777
What is the difference between a native born and a natural born US citizen?
In that regard..are you saying all native born citizens have the same rights under the constitution as a natural born citizen, including being president?
The officer on the scene. He was given authority from further up the chain of command.
But are you suggesting we charge and try the SEALs for obeying an illegal order?
The opinion of the supreme court in 1967 said a naturalized citizen had the same rights and standing as a native born citizen..based on this..are you saying a naturalized citizen can be president?
“Chief Justice Marshall early stated in dictum that “[a] naturalized citizen . . . becomes a member of the society, possessing all the rights of a native citizen, and standing, in the view of the Constitution, on the footing of a native.”
http://www.law.cornell.edu/anncon/html/art1frag64_user.html
Actually it was Chief Justice Marshall who said that. And Justice Black noted that his comments were made in dicta, which means they were not established law. Justice Black merely noted that naturalized citizens could not be stripped of their citizenship through an involuntary act.
And no, a naturalized citizen cannot be president.
Have you seen the long form. None of those things that are not on the short form have been attested to by Hawaiian officials. The only thing from the short form that has is a birthplace somewhere in Hawaii. We don't know if there even is a physician's name, hospital name, etc on his long form. They are not mandatory, since some, quite a few in 1961 Hawaii, are at home, with no doctor or nurse in attendance. In that case one puts the physical location in the box generally used for the hospital name. Someone signs as having provided the information on the form, while someone else signs that they witnessed the birth. The form would then be sent directly to the state health department.
The registration number is also on the short form. And there is something "funny" about the one shown on the CoLB, when compared to others of children known to be born within a day of the date claimed for Mr. Obama.
In a related matter. Zeebee’s post at #219 raises an interesting hypothesis.
Yes they can, but they cannot make an inelible person President. Eligibility is a two value state. One either is, or is not. It's not up to the electorate to decide which state someone occuppies. Oh they can reject a cannidate because they believe he's not, since they need not justify, or even reveal, their votes. But they can't make someone who is not eligible, somehow eligible.
Rep. John A. Bingham commenting on Section 1992 said it means “every human being born within the jurisdiction of the United States of parents not owing allegiance to any foreign sovereignty is, in the language of your Constitution itself, a natural born citizen.” (Cong. Globe, 39th, 1st Sess., 1291 (1866))
Rep. John A Bingham does not have the power to declare what is Constitutional and what is not.
Chairman of the House Judiciary Committee (39th Congress), James F. Wilson of Iowa, added on March 1, 1866: “We must depend on the general law relating to subjects and citizens recognized by all nations for a definition, and that must lead us to the conclusion that every person born in the United States is a natural-born citizen of such States, except … children born on our soil to temporary sojourners or representatives of foreign Governments.”
“John A Bingham does not have the power to declare what is Constitutional and what is not.”
Rep John A. Bingham was the principal framer of the 14th Amendment..
But not a member of the Supreme Court.
” If Obama produced his long form birth certificate this afternoon and it verified what was on the short form COLB, would you believe it?
I didn’t think so. “
How do you know what I would believe ?
If Barry finally puts up, I’ll shut up.
And who is this Chiyome Fukino you put so much faith in ?
Dr Chiyome Fukino could not get into medical school without a year of tutoring after college.
http://jabsom.hawaii.edu/jabsom/admissions/special.php
http://www.thepostemail.com/2009/09/29/spotlight-dr-chiyome-leinaala-fukino-m-d/
http://www.starbulletin.com/news/20090606_UH_med_school_program_helps_students_gain_entry.html
nor could she pass her Internal Medicine Boards.
http://www.abim.org/services/physver.aspx
Dr. Chiyome Leinaala Fukino
Internal Medicine
Not Certified
No Certification History
This physician has not completed the requirements for ABIM certification.
Her area of expertise is Huna and E Ola Mau , native Hawaiian healing , which includes ,chanting , herbal medicine and massage .
http://papaolalokahi.org/coconut/news/pdf/POL_chronology.pdf,
Dr Fukino advocated amending Hawaiian law to allow new mothers to take home their placentas so they could bury the afterbirth ( the ‘iewe ) to ward off devils.
http://archives.starbulletin.com/2006/02/11/news/story02.html
I can find no evidence that Dr Chiyome Fukino knows the first thing about the Constitution.
This is like asking a lawyer who couldn’t pass the bar to interpret an MRI.
The Commander in Chief to should stop hiding behind Dr Fukino and do the right thing.
For the troops.
Dr. Fukino holds a statuatory position under the laws of the state of Hawaii. She is capable of reading a document and reporting on what it says.
She is an appointee of Governor Linda Lingle, the Republican Governor of Hawaii.
Dr. Fukino’s statement was approved by the office of Mark L. Bennett, Attorney General of Hawaii, also a Republican.
If anybody wants to see Obama’s original birth records, they can get a subpoena from a judge and the Obama records can be released without Obama’s permission. It is very telling that no one has sought a subpoena.
” If anybody wants to see Obama’s original birth records, they can get a subpoena ..”
If we had a Commander in Chief who had a shred of decency and regard for his troops-a subpoena would not be required.
bttt
Events will determine who’s right. BTW, I hope you are.
They will not allow Col. Lakin in a courtroom, with a lawyer, with a defense, with discovery. It ain't gonna happen. Obama makes his own rules. He uses the Constitution as a snot rag, what do you think he'll do to military law?
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