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To: wmfights
Why is defense of your church defense of your faith?

Because it is the Church, and even with all its historical failings, it is the vehicle which has brought even the Protestant churches into being. Otherwise, (had it been God's will), the last Christian would have been lion food in Rome.

You can claim that defending your home is not the same as defending your family, but without that structure, that defense of your family becomes far more problematical.

You do a great job of jumping topics, so why don't you get all of them out and we can deal with them at once.

First, in the matter of the abortionists out there, be it Teddy, or whomever, I have no, nor do I claim to have any knowledge of whether they repented in the last few seconds of their life. The status of their souls is between them and God, and not for me to judge. I can find their actions during their lives to be reprehensible, but my opinion does not weigh in the final judgement which remains between them and God.

So they got a big 'sendoff', one which comes with money and power, much the same as any other funeral for the wealthy or powerful, (those who can afford a nice box covered with flowers often go the extra mile), but will that make any difference in their destination? As I said, that is between them and God.

When Obama visited (spoke at) Notre Dame, I protested, as did many. But the presence of a head of state speaking there did not set Church policy toward abortion, nor did it change it.

Excommunication is a process undertaken above my pay grade. Those who openly support abortion in public office fool no one by making nominal claims to be Catholic. Their actions speak louder than their words. I do not defend them any more than a pedophile, but you would have me discard the entire institution over the actions of a few.

Again, you would have me abandon my faith, my church, the church of my ancestors for a thousand plus years over the actions of a few sinners I don't even know, personally?

No. No more than I would abandon the Republic because those in power have abused and distorted it. If there are problems, they can be fixed. That that may not be a fast-moving process may grieve some, but it is the very resistance to change with whim which makes either what it is.

What, if anything, do you believe in? Or do you readily abandon anything and everything when there is a problem?

510 posted on 04/12/2010 7:39:39 AM PDT by Smokin' Joe (How often God must weep at humans' folly. Stand fast. God knows what He is doing.)
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To: Smokin' Joe
Again, you would have me abandon my faith, my church, the church of my ancestors for a thousand plus years over the actions of a few sinners I don't even know, personally?

I would never ask you to abandon your faith if it is in Jesus Christ. It seems that any disagreement with your church is then considered an attack on your faith. It really isn't.

You do a great job of jumping topics, so why don't you get all of them out and we can deal with them at once.

Actually no. Every time the response of your church to clergy molesting young boys and girls is discussed the reaction that the faith of RC's is being attacked comes up. It is a unique response in the Christian community. We are not in a heated discussion about systematic theology, but any disagreement is treated as such.

What, if anything, do you believe in?

I believe in Jesus Christ. I believe Jesus saw my fallen state and died for my sins. I believe Jesus was buried and on the third day rose again and because of His sacrifice for me I am saved.

A church is a gathering of "called out ones" it is where we come together it is not our faith.

517 posted on 04/12/2010 8:24:42 AM PDT by wmfights (If you want change support SenateConservatives.com)
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