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1 posted on 04/10/2010 10:39:12 AM PDT by traumer
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“the crew had accelerated its downward descent and begun descending beneath its glide path... “

Wasn’t this scenario in one of the DIE HARD movies ??


2 posted on 04/10/2010 10:40:31 AM PDT by traumer
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Has Obama requested Putin’s permission to attend the memorial servies yet?


3 posted on 04/10/2010 10:41:54 AM PDT by Mad_Tom_Rackham (It is the duty of the patriot to protect his country from its government -- Thomas Payne)
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Geeze!!!  What a tragedy.

The newsers are greedily accepting, reporting and pushing this was an accident.  Very hasty conclusion considering the make and make up of the plane, the great responsibility of the Pilot and in advanced of any real investigation.  Seems rather convenient. 

The President of Poland and many cabinet members including the Chief of the Airforce, the Chief of the Army Staff, Commander of the Polish Navy, President of the National Bank, Head of the National Security Bureau, Secretary of State in the Office

 

What a target rich list. 

 

The National leadership wiped out?

 

The Pilot carrying such important people arrogantly risked his life and those of the most important people of Poland by attempting to land even though Ground Control told them the airport is closed to traffic due to fog and directed them to Moscow or another city? 

What pilot would do that and do so with the very important people on board.  His and their safety is paramount. 

The president, his wife and entourage  were en-route to a memorial service for the victims of the Katyn massacre which, in 1940, saw thousands of Polish prisoners of war murdered (primarily military officers), intellectuals, policemen, and other public servants by the Soviet NKVD 

That would not be embarrassing to Russia.  No not all. 

A former Soviet Pilot state commemorating the deaths of 20,000 of their own people at the hand of the Russians?  Why not have a keg a party as well. 

Poland watched in horror as the Russians, once again invaded another Soviet Pilot State, Georgia and desperately sought a missile defense system and membership in NATO for protection. 

Russia and Obama fixed that little problem by having the missile defense scrapped to appease Russian demands that they not be deployed.  Wonder why? 

 

Killed:

The President: Lech Kaczynski.  Part of the Solidarity Movement

His Wife: Maria Kaczynski

The National Bank President: Slawomir Skrzypek 

The Army Chief of Staff: Gen. Franciszek Gagor

Ryszard Kaczorowski, Polish Statesman and last President in exile during Solidarity

The Deputy Foreign Minister Andrzej Kremoer

 

Anna Walentynowicz, whose firing in August 1980 from the Lenin Shipyards in Gdansk sparked a workers' strike that spurred the eventual creation of the Solidarity freedom movement. 

96 Souls lost aboard the President's Plane

 

The President: Lech Kaczynski.  Part of the Solidarity Movement

His Wife: Maria Kaczynski

The National Bank President: Slawomir Skrzypek 

The Army Chief of Staff: Gen. Franciszek Gagor

Ryszard Kaczorowski, Polish Statesman and last President in exile during Solidarity

The Deputy Foreign Minister Andrzej Kremoer

 

    * Andrzej Błasik, Chief of the Polish Air Force

    * Krystyna Bochenek, Deputy Speaker of the Senatee

    * Archbishop Miron Chodakowski, Orthodox Ordinary of the Polish Army

    * Leszek Deptuła, member of the Sejm

    * Grzegorz Dolniak, member of the Sejm

    * Janina Fetlińska, member of the Senate

    * General Franciszek Gągor, Chief of the Polish Army General Staff

    * Grażyna Gęsicka, member of the Sejm

    * Przemysław Gosiewski, member of the Sejm

    * Mariusz Handzlik, Undersecretary of State in the Office of the President of the Republic of Poland

    * Izabela Jaruga-Nowacka, member of the Sejm

    * Sebastian Karpiniuk, member of the Sejm

    * Vice Admiral Andrzej Karweta, Commander-in-chief of the Polish Navy

    * Janusz Kochanowski, Polish Ombudsman for Citizen Rights

    * Janusz Kurtyka, Historian and president of the Institute of National Remembrance

    * Aleksandra Natalli-Świat, member of the Sejm

    * Piotr Nurowski, President of the Polish Olympic Committee

    * Maciej Płażyński, President of the Polish Community Association

    * Tadeusz Płoski, bishop of the Military Ordinariate of the Polish Army

    * Krzysztof Putra, Deputy Speaker of the Sejm

    * Andrzej Przewoźnik, Secretary-General of the Council for the Protection of Struggle and Martyrdom Sites

    * Ryszard Rumianek, Rector of the Cardinal Stefan Wyszyński University

    * Arkadiusz Rybicki, member of the Sejm

    * Sławomir Skrzypek, President of the National Bank of Poland

    * Władysław Stasiak, Chief of the Office of the President of the Republic of Poland

    * Aleksander Szczygło, head of the National Security Bureau

    * Jerzy Szmajdziński, Deputy Speaker of the Sejm

    * Jolanta Szymanek-Deresz, member of the Sejm

    * Anna Walentynowicz, free trade union activist, member of Solidarity

    * Zbigniew Wassermann, member of the Sejm

    * Wiesław Woda, member of the Sejm

    * Edward Wojtas, member of the Sejm

    * Paweł Wypych, Secretary of State in the Office of the President of the Republic of Poland

    * Stanisław Zając, member of the Senate 

Andrzej Przewoźnik, Secretary-General of Rada Ochrony Pamięci Walk i Męczeństwa

and several members of the Sejm. Sławomir Skrzypek 

The plane was refurbished and repaired last year, according to the general director of the company that performed the service. Alexei Gusev, the general director of Aviakor Factory, told CNN that the plane received major refurbishing and repair in December 2009.

5 posted on 04/10/2010 10:45:12 AM PDT by Vendome (Don't take life so seriously... You'll never live through it.)
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does soros have a shadow gov’t set up in poland? this seems just a little fishy to me. but that’s just me.


6 posted on 04/10/2010 10:45:38 AM PDT by florida red
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the air traffic control group discovered the crew had accelerated its downward descent...

Pilot named Muhammad?

7 posted on 04/10/2010 10:46:19 AM PDT by fullchroma (Obama: GET OUT OF MY DOCTOR'S OFFICE!)
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If Poland had been smart, they would have requested American investigators be allowed to be involved immediately. But with this regime and current state of affairs, putin can pretty much do whatever he wants. We’ll just curl-up in the fetal position and whimper “Make it go away”.


9 posted on 04/10/2010 10:47:33 AM PDT by JoSixChip (It's time to embrace the madness! The sooner we default the sooner we can reorganize.)
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54th thread about this and counting. Way to go.


10 posted on 04/10/2010 10:49:39 AM PDT by 999replies (Thune/Rubio 2012)
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Wow, the Poles were going to attend a service in memory of the Katyn Forest massacre...which was another example of Russian treachery.


13 posted on 04/10/2010 10:52:35 AM PDT by GoodDay (Palin for POTUS 2012)
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no survivors on the 26-year-old Tupolev

I wonder if they are trying to say the planes age somehow contributed to the crash. hmmmm

14 posted on 04/10/2010 10:56:20 AM PDT by chaos_5
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Has obumber even come out and issued a statement on this yet?


15 posted on 04/10/2010 10:57:15 AM PDT by JoSixChip (It's time to embrace the madness! The sooner we default the sooner we can reorganize.)
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Threes.

16 posted on 04/10/2010 10:57:37 AM PDT by I see my hands (_8(|)
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..."The cause of the plane crash was apparently an error by the crew during the approach to landing," Russian state news agency RIA Novosti quoted an unnamed official...

Riiight.

22 posted on 04/10/2010 11:46:16 AM PDT by FReepaholic (I'm in my head and can't get out.)
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It’s absolutely insane to have all these very high ranking officials flying on the same plane. Most governments, and most corporations of any significant size, have clear policies in place prohibiting this sort of travel arrangement. Either Poland didn’t have such a policy, or they simply flouted it. Just insane.


23 posted on 04/10/2010 12:55:43 PM PDT by GovernmentShrinker
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Jeebus, how stupid is that?
When I was in senior mgt many years ago, no more than 2 officers of the company were allowed to fly on the same flight for this very reason.
Having all those important people on the same flight was really dumb......
25 posted on 04/10/2010 1:11:49 PM PDT by Riodacat (Never attribute to malice what can be adequately explained by stupidity.)
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