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To: El Gato

If he has it, why has he been so reluctant to produce it in a Court of Law. An image on the internet doesn’t count. Especially one of a document that is just a computer printout in the first place, and thus pretty easy to cobble up a “real” looking fake.


Obama’s original birth documents can be subpoenaed on an order from a court of competent jurisdiction. Thus far, no one has sought such a subpoena. It is not the responsibility of the defendant to produce evidence for the plaintiff! If Obama’s internet posted image is forged or fraudulent, let someone charge him with forgery or fraud. No one has.
John McCain and/or the Republican National Committee might have legal standing to pursue such a case but they have not sued and they have not even submitted an amicus brief in support of any of the existing lawsuits. That is very telling to me.

How do you know that a hard copy of Obama’s COLB hasn’t been included with the legal briefs in many of the seventy-some lawsuits that have been dismissed already by various local, state, and federal courts?
It is even more likely that a sworn deposition from the Director of the Hawaii State Health Department confirming Obama’s birth in Hawaii has been included with legal briefs submitted by the defense in those lawsuits. A sworn deposition is usually good enough for any Judge but since every Hawaii Certification of Live Birth says “This copy serves as prima facie evidence of the fact of birth in any court proceeding,” I’m betting a copy of the document has also been included for judges and justices to review when they are deliberating whether to dismiss or reject a lawsuit.
The short form COLB is the only document that Obama will ever need to produce since it is the official birth certificate of the state of Hawaii since 2001 and because it contains all the information required by the Constitution to establish natural born citizen status.
The Constitution does not ask for birth weight, name of hospital or name of attending physician, just place of birth and age.


534 posted on 04/11/2010 1:04:50 PM PDT by jamese777
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To: jamese777
Obama’s original birth documents can be subpoenaed on an order from a court of competent jurisdiction. Thus far, no one has sought such a subpoena. It is not the responsibility of the defendant to produce evidence for the plaintiff!.

They haven't gotten that far. Cases have been thrown out on "standing" and "justicibility".

But the "defendant" doesn't have to fight producing it either, it's optional. But he has fought it, and thus my comment about his being reluctant to produce it.

542 posted on 04/11/2010 1:59:30 PM PDT by El Gato ("The second amendment is the reset button of the US constitution"-Doug McKay)
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To: jamese777
How do you know that a hard copy of Obama’s COLB hasn’t been included with the legal briefs in many of the seventy-some lawsuits that have been dismissed already by various local, state, and federal courts?

Because if it had, it would be public record. At least the fact of it being submitted would be. We'd know.

It is even more likely that a sworn deposition from the Director of the Hawaii State Health Department confirming Obama’s birth in Hawaii has been included with legal briefs submitted by the defense in those lawsuits. A sworn deposition is usually good enough for any Judge but since every Hawaii Certification of Live Birth says “This copy serves as prima facie evidence of the fact of birth in any court proceeding,” I’m betting a copy of the document has also been included for judges and justices to review when they are deliberating whether to dismiss or reject a lawsuit.

Ditto.

More desperation.

The short form COLB is the only document that Obama will ever need to produce since it is the official birth certificate of the state of Hawaii since 2001 and because it contains all the information required by the Constitution to establish natural born citizen status.

There you go assuming your conclusion again. A certified copy of the Certificate of Live Birth, perhaps accompanied by a sworn statement as to authenticity, would still not indicate the citizenship status of his parents. Even the long form would not do that, although it would show that his father would have needed to be naturalized, since he was born in the British colony of Kenya. So even the long form would require a copy of BHO Sr's naturalization papers, which of course don't exist since he was never naturalized, only being in the US as a temporary resident student.

544 posted on 04/11/2010 2:08:48 PM PDT by El Gato ("The second amendment is the reset button of the US constitution"-Doug McKay)
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