Free Republic
Browse · Search
News/Activism
Topics · Post Article

Skip to comments.

Adoption freeze urged after boy returned to Russia
MSNBC ^ | April 9, 2010 | NATALIYA VASILYEVA

Posted on 04/09/2010 7:52:48 AM PDT by COUNTrecount

MOSCOW - Russia should freeze all child adoptions with U.S. families, the country's foreign minister urged Friday after an American woman allegedly put her 8-year-old adopted Russian son on a one-way flight back to his homeland.

Artyom Savelyev arrived in Moscow unaccompanied on a United Airlines flight Thursday from Washington, the Kremlin children's rights office said Friday.

The children's office said the boy, whose adoptive name is Justin Hansen, was carrying a letter from his adoptive mother, Torry Hansen of Shelbyville, Tennessee, saying she was returning him due to severe psychological problems.

this child is mentally unstable. He is violent and has severe psychopathic issues," the letter said, according to Russian officials, who sent what they said was a copy of the letter to The Associated Press. The authenticity of the letter could not be independently verified.

The U.S. ambassador to Russia, John Beyrle, said he was "deeply shocked by the news" and "very angry that any family would act so callously toward a child that they had legally adopted."

(Excerpt) Read more at msnbc.msn.com ...


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Foreign Affairs; News/Current Events; Russia
KEYWORDS: adoption
Navigation: use the links below to view more comments.
first previous 1-20 ... 41-6061-8081-100101-114 next last
To: chris_bdba

PS. It’s called the Child Citizenship Act of 2000.


81 posted on 04/09/2010 10:15:47 AM PDT by keepitreal ( Don't tread on me.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 77 | View Replies]

To: jerseyrocks

Sometimes a child is just so disturbed that they have to be institutionalized, and I wouldn’t fault any parent — adoptive or biological — for going that route when it’s really necessary (as it often is, to protect the physical safety of other family members). But the idea of just sticking a severely disturbed adopted kid on a plane to send him back where he came from is simply appalling, and suggests the adoptive parent(s) must be pretty nearly as psychologically messed up as the child.

I do wonder, though, if maybe there isn’t a bit more to the story here. There have been cases, especially with biological rather than adoptive children, where parents have tried repeatedly to get a court to order their dangerously disturbed child into state custody with placement in an institution, and the court has just kept insisting that the child keep living at home and attending “therapy” sessions. If the parents don’t have sufficient insurance or personal funds to cover the cost of institutionalizing the child (usually well into 6 figures per year), they really don’t have any good options. What often ends up happening is that the child severely injures (or kills) a family member or someone else and THEN the state finally agrees to institutionalize the child at state expense.

One of these cases, several years ago in New Jersey, involved a boy of about 12 whose serious behavior problems had started after he was sexually molested by an adult man. As he got bigger and angrier, his parents just couldn’t control him and kept trying to get a court to institutionalize him, as they simply didn’t have the funds or insurance to do that on their own. But the court kept insisting he had to continue living at home with his parents. They apparently pretty much gave up, because one day they were away from home all day, leaving him there (they had a business running bus tours to Atlantic City), and a younger boy came to the door selling something for a sports or scouts fundraiser, and the disturbed boy invited the younger boy in and murdered him.

I just wonder if this woman had tried all the reasonable avenues for moving a child she simply couldn’t handle safely into institutional care, and finally just ended up in total despair and resorted to the stick-him-on-a-plane “solution”.


82 posted on 04/09/2010 10:17:36 AM PDT by GovernmentShrinker
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 49 | View Replies]

To: chris_bdba

hand=hang


83 posted on 04/09/2010 10:18:23 AM PDT by chris_bdba
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 76 | View Replies]

To: LouAvul
I was in Moscow in '94 and IIRC vodka was less expensive than bottled water.

And probably safer.

84 posted on 04/09/2010 10:21:03 AM PDT by Tijeras_Slim (Live jubtabulously!)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 51 | View Replies]

To: Touch Not the Cat
Most older children adopted internationally have mental issues. I have heard of Russian adoptions not being forthcoming in terms of a complete evaluation. Russia was my first choice for adoption until I read horror stories. Granted, there are wonderful success stories. But not something I wanted to risk, esp. the wide spread corruption.

That said, the methods of this mom returning him are disgusting. She should have gone through her agency as well as the agency that did her home study.

85 posted on 04/09/2010 10:22:14 AM PDT by rintense (Only dead fish go with the flow, which explains why Congress stinks.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 2 | View Replies]

To: COUNTrecount

in other words a young keith olbermann.


86 posted on 04/09/2010 10:23:57 AM PDT by isom35
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: businessprofessor

Congrats on your daughters! I am waiting patiently for my referral from China. LID was 4-17-07.


87 posted on 04/09/2010 10:25:08 AM PDT by rintense (Only dead fish go with the flow, which explains why Congress stinks.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 26 | View Replies]

To: rintense
LID was 4-17-07.

Are you getting close? What LID are they up to?

88 posted on 04/09/2010 10:26:40 AM PDT by keepitreal ( Don't tread on me.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 87 | View Replies]

To: keepitreal

Not even close. They just completed 4-17-06. They are averaging referrals every 30 days, only covering up to 4-5 dates at a time. My projected gotcha date is May 2013. Some even project longer.


89 posted on 04/09/2010 10:30:37 AM PDT by rintense (Only dead fish go with the flow, which explains why Congress stinks.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 88 | View Replies]

To: jerseyrocks
do a bit of reading about “attachment disorder”.

Recent circumstances with a adult loved one caused me to need to understand this.

Adopted children often suffer from this, through no fault of their own. Those early years of nurture form the basis of learning and trusting in human interaction for that child for the rest of their lives, all the way into adulthood. If there are no nuturing bonds, or those bonds are in turmoil, through either abandonment, constant change in primary care givers, or through abuse, in the first year or so, it is devastating to that future child, young adult, and later adult.

Some times, nothing can correct that inability to be able to have loving relationships with others, as there simply is no inherent trust, no matter what one does, or how greatly one pours love into that heart.

Sad, really

90 posted on 04/09/2010 10:30:45 AM PDT by woollyone ("The trouble with socialism is you run out of other people's money to spend." Margaret Thatcher)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 57 | View Replies]

To: rintense

Holy cow, rintense. 6 years? I’ll pray for things to speed up. I heard the longest it would be was 3 years, but that was this time last year.

Best to you as you wait (it will be worth it, I promise).


91 posted on 04/09/2010 10:32:21 AM PDT by keepitreal ( Don't tread on me.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 89 | View Replies]

To: Morgana

No, failure to thrive is mainly a physical condition, though it can have psychological roots (but can also have entirely physical roots). That’s basically just not growing at a normal rate, poor appetite, etc, and delayed psychological development accompanying/resulting from the delayed physical development. http://kidshealth.org/parent/food/weight/failure_thrive.html

It’s a totally different issue when severe psychiatric problems arise from a total lack of normal bonding experiences in infancy. These kids are often violent and simply lack the capacity to trust anyone or conceive of anyone trusting them. And they are often normal size and strength, which makes them harder to deal with and more dangerous. When a two year old is prone to throwing out of control violent tantrums, you can simply restrain the tot. When an 8 or 10 year old behaves the same way, and unpredictably, it’s really impossible to restrain them effectively and consistently. They can jimmy locks, move furniture to get access to elevated windows to climb out of, etc. And they can and do inflict serious injury on other children and on adults (and pets), as well as inflict major property damage.


92 posted on 04/09/2010 10:32:57 AM PDT by GovernmentShrinker
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 71 | View Replies]

To: woollyone; jerseyrocks

But be really careful what sources you read. “Reactive attachment disorder” is a real diagnosis, but it’s also a favorite of dangerous quacks who promote dangerous and damaging “therapies” to parents. The child deaths from “forced water drinking therapy” and “rebirthing therapy” were due to the activities of these self-styled “therapists”. Some have also advocated physically forcing adolescents to submit to being cradled in an adult’s lap like babies while being fed from a bottle, and aggressive punishment for failing to maintain continuous “loving” eye contact at all time when a parent is speaking to them.


93 posted on 04/09/2010 10:38:48 AM PDT by GovernmentShrinker
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 90 | View Replies]

To: keepitreal

When I started the process 12/06, they said 18-24 months. That was before China changed their adoption laws. Now, China is back logged with dossiers of those who rushed to complete paperwork prior to law changes May 1, 2007.


94 posted on 04/09/2010 10:39:59 AM PDT by rintense (Only dead fish go with the flow, which explains why Congress stinks.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 91 | View Replies]

To: rintense

Wow. I didn’t know they hadn’t gotten through that jam yet. Last I heard, they anticipated getting through the pre-change LID last November. Haven’t been following it lately, though. Hang in there.


95 posted on 04/09/2010 10:44:27 AM PDT by keepitreal ( Don't tread on me.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 94 | View Replies]

To: keepitreal

We just got rejected by Korea due to medical reasons and had been considering China ourselves until we heard about the huge waiting period. At this point, we’re not quite sure what we’re going to do. :(


96 posted on 04/09/2010 11:09:40 AM PDT by cyphergirl (Not so proud to be in the Freak State)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 95 | View Replies]

To: jerseyrocks

“What would this so-called parent have done had she had given birth to a child born with severe disabilities? Would she have dropped the child off like an unwanted animal?”

Children with severe disabilities aren’t trying to kill you.

When you have or adopt children it is a commitment for life. There is no return policy with children.”

If your adopted child succeeds in killing you, then I guess there isn’t a commitment for life, as you are dead. In order to solve the second part of your sentence, why don’t you track the lady down, give her a call and say you will adopt the child and raise it for life. Just make sure to check under the kid’s bed every once in a while to see what’s there, and keep an eye out in your kitchen for missing sharp utensils.


97 posted on 04/09/2010 12:09:58 PM PDT by flaglady47 (We will have our revenge one day, sooner than later.....)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 49 | View Replies]

To: keepitreal

“And should those in the international adoption community send their kids back if they end up with cancer or a prolonged chronic medical condition? After all, that costs the goold old USA money too?”

You just don’t get it, do you. This kid was trying to kill her. You adopt the kid. Good luck, and sleep tight at night.


98 posted on 04/09/2010 12:19:09 PM PDT by flaglady47 (We will have our revenge one day, sooner than later.....)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 72 | View Replies]

To: flaglady47

The woman never stated in the letter that he tried to kill her (she said he had severe psychopathic issues/behaviors), so I don’t know where you got your information.


99 posted on 04/09/2010 12:26:54 PM PDT by keepitreal ( Don't tread on me.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 98 | View Replies]

To: flaglady47

“Speaking from the home in Shelbyville that she shares with her daughter, Nancy Hansen said a social worker checked on the boy in January and reported to Russian authorities that there were no problems. But after that, the grandmother said incidents of hitting, kicking, spitting began to escalate, along with threats.”

http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5hdX2aH94-cG6tnHX748IeHKU9oAwD9EVM2480

So the child started hitting kicking and spitting in the last 3 months and she sends him back. Hardly a knife under the bed. Sounds like an angry kid, not a sociopathic killer.


100 posted on 04/09/2010 12:39:43 PM PDT by keepitreal ( Don't tread on me.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 98 | View Replies]


Navigation: use the links below to view more comments.
first previous 1-20 ... 41-6061-8081-100101-114 next last

Disclaimer: Opinions posted on Free Republic are those of the individual posters and do not necessarily represent the opinion of Free Republic or its management. All materials posted herein are protected by copyright law and the exemption for fair use of copyrighted works.

Free Republic
Browse · Search
News/Activism
Topics · Post Article

FreeRepublic, LLC, PO BOX 9771, FRESNO, CA 93794
FreeRepublic.com is powered by software copyright 2000-2008 John Robinson