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To: Free Vulcan

You’re being very obscure.

I can only assume you want a liberaltarian adolescent boy fantasy world. Unless you explain yourself. But I’ll have to read any replies tomorrow. Insufficient sleep for days. Gotta get horizontal.


87 posted on 04/05/2010 8:54:13 PM PDT by little jeremiah (Asato Ma Sad Gamaya Tamaso Ma Jyotir Gamaya)
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To: little jeremiah

What I’m saying is this: in the 20’s we banned alcohol. Good arguments have and can be made about the evils of alcohol and why people shouldn’t do it ever and why society shouldn’t tolerate it.

So we banned it. What was the consequence? Bootleggers. Gangstas. Al Capone. Speakeasies. People drank just to defy the govt. A giant and competitive illicit market was instantly created that resulted in a criminal underground with escalating violence.

One of the favorite tools of the criminals was the Tommy Gun. A series of high-profile killings by the rum-running gangsters resulted in the Gun Control Act of 1934, which was supposedly designed to reduce the violence, but in hindsight was the first shot in taking our gun rights. Similar comparisons can be seen in the drug war and the 4th amendment. Not that I’m an advocate of legalizing drugs, but my point is that all out bans on things have two effects on human behavior: 1) rebellion against the ban, 2) the power and control hungry to use the ban to take other freedoms away.

Which is why I’d allow a genuine rape and incest exception for abortion. I am afraid a total ban would create unintended consequences, not the least making the victims of crimes outlaws in their own right. Not only does the backlash scare me, but the liberals would twist it to their purposes.

Health care would be a great example. I see abortion ban supporters arguing ‘life, liberty, and pursuit of happiness’ as reasons to ban abortion. Well, that’s the same argument the socialist Dems are using to justify national health care. And you know if there was an abortion ban, they would use that in court to say we must protect every life thru universal health care. And you know they will.

My point in my response to your quotes by Jefferson and Burke is to say that I agree with them. All the laws in the world can’t police men who are internally corrupt. My hope is with a rape and incest exception that the girl or woman would make the right choice and keep the baby, but I won’t go as far to make them outlaws if they don’t. Making such a law isn’t a substitute for a lack of personal morality and will create far more problems than it solves.

In the end we’ll still save 99% of the babies being aborted today. I’d rather have results than philosophical but pyrrhic victories.


93 posted on 04/05/2010 9:26:59 PM PDT by Free Vulcan (No prisoners, no mercy. 2010 is here...)
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