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Anglican leader: Irish church lost all credibility
Yahoo News/AP ^ | 03 April 2010 | Raphael G. Satter

Posted on 04/03/2010 2:32:42 PM PDT by Titus Quinctius Cincinnatus

The Roman Catholic Church in Ireland has lost all credibility because of its mishandling of abuse by priests, the leader of the Anglican church said in remarks released Saturday. A leading Catholic archbishop said he was "stunned" by the comments.

The remarks released Saturday marked the first time Archbishop of Canterbury Rowan Williams has spoken publicly on the crisis engulfing the Catholic Church. The comments come ahead of a planned visit to England and Scotland by Pope Benedict XVI later this year.

"I was speaking to an Irish friend recently who was saying that it's quite difficult in some parts of Ireland to go down the street wearing a clerical collar now," Williams told the BBC. "And an institution so deeply bound into the life of a society, suddenly becoming, suddenly losing all credibility — that's not just a problem for the church, it is a problem for everybody in Ireland, I think."

The interview with Williams, recorded March 26, is to be aired Monday on the BBC's "Start the Week" program as part of a general discussion of religion to mark Easter. But its publication ahead of the interview caught Catholic leaders off guard.

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TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; United Kingdom
KEYWORDS: abusivepriests; europeanchristians; vatican
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Not sure whether this is a pot-kettle moment or not...
1 posted on 04/03/2010 2:32:43 PM PDT by Titus Quinctius Cincinnatus
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To: Titus Quinctius Cincinnatus

Retaliating against the rebuff from Rome recently. Not that anyone takes Rowan seriously to begin with.


2 posted on 04/03/2010 2:33:58 PM PDT by johniegrad
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To: johniegrad

Yep, retaliation. Rowan is also likely a bit upset that his stewardship has resulted in such a destruction that many are leaving for the Catholic Church.


3 posted on 04/03/2010 2:36:18 PM PDT by D-fendr (Deus non alligatur sacramentis sed nos alligamur.)
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To: Titus Quinctius Cincinnatus

Oh my. Of course what what this silly man really means is they have lost credibility for not allowing gay marriage and women priestesses. He’s a lunatic.


4 posted on 04/03/2010 2:38:13 PM PDT by big'ol_freeper ("Anyone pushing Romney must love socialism...Piss on Romney and his enablers!!" ~ Jim Robinson)
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To: johniegrad
Not that anyone takes Rowan seriously to begin with.

Oh, I'm sure the Muslims do.

5 posted on 04/03/2010 2:38:30 PM PDT by Charles Martel ("Endeavor to persevere...")
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To: Titus Quinctius Cincinnatus
The AP is doing everything in its power to find chinks in the armour of Christianity. This is being blown way out of proportion.

The MSM is trying to find something other than Obama's falling approval ratings and the health care backlash to put in the news. They think they can replace the Obama mess with the Catholic church problem.

America is not that stupid to not forget Obama in November.

6 posted on 04/03/2010 2:39:54 PM PDT by mlocher (USA is a sovereign nation)
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To: Titus Quinctius Cincinnatus
The Roman Catholic Church in Ireland has lost all credibility because of its mishandling of abuse by priests, the leader of the Anglican church said

Abp. Williams, while we're on the subject of credibility: To be credible, does a national church need to have folks who actually attend its services? Just wondering.

7 posted on 04/03/2010 2:40:43 PM PDT by SamuraiScot
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To: Titus Quinctius Cincinnatus

I wonder what is meant by the reference to those working for renewal in the Irish Catholic Church. Anyone know what kind of renewal?


8 posted on 04/03/2010 2:41:45 PM PDT by firebrand
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To: Titus Quinctius Cincinnatus
Rowan Williams has been on both sides of the homosexual ordination debate ~ so he's probably on both sides of the pedophiles with collars debate as well (right up to this point where he sees an advantage to protect his ecclesiastical retirement fund).

Without belaboring all the details, etc., it looks like this Irish "church" thing has its counterpart in the earlier American "judge" thing. What happens is you get a pedophile, or pedophile enabler, in a high level job, say Chief Judge of some court, and next thing you know those guys don't go to jail anymore, or if they do, it's for a short time. The pedophiles gravitate to that district and this goes on as long as that judge is on the bench.

I have no idea how big the various divisions of the RC church are in Ireland, but if the top guy on the Island is into protecting pedophiles (probably under the notion that he's gotta' protect all the sexual deviates to keep enough priests and nuns on hand to "do stuff"), that simply means it's time to remove him ~ and his funny little friends.

Now, how to get the top guy to talk ~ I would encourage the authorities in Rome to try waterboarding.

It works!

9 posted on 04/03/2010 2:42:14 PM PDT by muawiyah ("Git Out The Way")
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To: firebrand
Anyone know what kind of renewal?

From the sexual abuse scandal.

10 posted on 04/03/2010 2:43:27 PM PDT by johniegrad
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To: Titus Quinctius Cincinnatus

I think this is a pot calling the lightbulb black moment.

The Catholic church needs to oust those who covered up sexual abuse for decades, and it needs to find the victims and make things right even if that means selling every building and every chalice it posesses, but they are still mostly Christians (except those resting their hopes on Mary instead of Jesus).

Rowan Williams, on the other hand is a pagan.


11 posted on 04/03/2010 2:44:55 PM PDT by MrEdd (Heck? Geewhiz Cripes, thats the place where people who don't believe in Gosh think they aint going.)
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The MSM, which has heretofore depended on teams of editors and chief editors to control the news can relate quite well to the apparent self destruction of another priestly hierarchy.

To the "newsies" it looks like a race to the bottom and they're struggling mightily to stay in business with just one more story about fallen priests before all are swallowed up in the immensity of nothingness, chief editors, network anchors, bishops and all.

I don't think the MSM point of view is correct. The Internet is dislodging them. It may well enable the RC church, and others for that matter, to achieve a tad more uniformity in presentation of the core message.

12 posted on 04/03/2010 2:47:04 PM PDT by muawiyah ("Git Out The Way")
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To: MrEdd
Rowan is nearing retirement. He is concerned with that above all.

Trust me on this. Fidelity is not just a trait we admire in humanity, it's a purveyor of retirement funds for the religious of all persuasions.

13 posted on 04/03/2010 2:49:10 PM PDT by muawiyah ("Git Out The Way")
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To: johniegrad

So he’s referring to efforts to stop the abuse? I wonder what these efforts are. Or is it possibly some other kind of renewal?


14 posted on 04/03/2010 2:49:22 PM PDT by firebrand
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To: Titus Quinctius Cincinnatus

Well, so much for that merger thing. . .


15 posted on 04/03/2010 2:49:36 PM PDT by Persevero (Ask yourself: "What does the Left want me to do?" Then go do the opposite.)
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To: MrEdd

>>except those resting their hopes on Mary instead of Jesus<<

Well then they aren’t Catholic are they?
Cause the Catholic Church sure doesn’t teach that!


16 posted on 04/03/2010 2:49:59 PM PDT by netmilsmom (I am Ilk)
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To: netmilsmom

There are many paths to satori Grasshopper.


17 posted on 04/03/2010 2:54:17 PM PDT by muawiyah ("Git Out The Way")
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To: firebrand
I wonder what these efforts are. Or is it possibly some other kind of renewal?

No, that's it. It will require a huge effort. There will be purging the seminaries, getting all the perps out of positions of contact with parishoners, working with law enforcement when necessary, tort issues, and, above all, trying to regain some trust on the part of the Catholics of Ireland.

This stuff happening in Ireland is a disaster and it's bad for the rest of the Church.

18 posted on 04/03/2010 2:54:27 PM PDT by johniegrad
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To: netmilsmom

Not as a whole. But I have been in diocese where that tradition was believed.

Come to thin of it, I was in a church in Lafayette where much of the membership went to Mass on Sunday, and voodoo crap on wednesday.


19 posted on 04/03/2010 2:54:32 PM PDT by MrEdd (Heck? Geewhiz Cripes, thats the place where people who don't believe in Gosh think they aint going.)
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To: Titus Quinctius Cincinnatus

The difference is that the Catholic Church in Ireland did it by inadvertance and carelessness, but Rowan Williams did it on purpose.


20 posted on 04/03/2010 3:04:05 PM PDT by Cicero (Marcus Tullius)
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