The Scandal Driving the Church Sex Scandal

American Thinker ^ | April 01, 2010 | Selwyn Duke

[count-your-change]

“Motive does in fact subvert authority — as when a public official acts within his offices, but with ulterior, corrupt agenda.”

Hmmm...a new theory of the exercise of authority? That would make a great defence for the predator priests, the news paper article about their crimes was written by someone with an agenda, the cops who arrested them had an agenda, the prosecutors had an agenda, the judge, the jury, on and on.

I wonder what the agenda is of a seven year old rape victim?

[D-fendr]

What is the agenda of the NYT in their current attack on the Pope on the Milwaukee case?

Is it part of your agenda to defend them on it?

[wagglebee]

As I mentioned to a few Catholics the other day it astonishes me that there are FReepers who have never trusted the NYT about anything, but are fully prepared to accept anything negative the NYT (and the rest of the MSM) says about the Catholic Church.

The left desires to destroy ALL of orthodox Christianity, because of its size they realize that they MUST destroy the Catholic Church and that is what they are working toward. Our Lord promised that the gates of Hell would not prevail against His Church, but He never said it would be easy.

[Columbia]

What abuse?

The abuse committed by teachers everyday across the USA?

Open your eyes fool.

[count-your-change]

Write the NYT and don’t be silly!

[D-fendr]

Then what is the point of your posts on the topic of this thread?

[count-your-change]

It’s a deep dark secret known only to those who are initiated into........”THE AGENDA”.

[little jeremiah]

I read that men wanting to enter seminaries had to (I suppose they still do but hopefully the tests have changed) take psychological tests. So the homosexuals made sure that only homosexual-friendly or just regular homosexuals were deemed good priest material.

Of course it wasn’t like that 100% but enough to cause horrible problems for many, for a good long while.

[little jeremiah]

I agree entirely. The leftists/secularists/homosexual agenda pushers want to destroy the Catholic Church because it refuses to change its position on moral absolutes. And they will start attacking any other religious denominations that don’t embrace immorality; so far they’ve been destroying many Protestant denominations from within.

[little jeremiah]

The Catholic Church and any other churches who refuse to bow to immorality make the immoral feel very guilty; they see such Churches as dire enemies to destroy.

[D-fendr]

Remind me to make jokes when your Church leader is viciously and falsely slandered.

[SkyPilot]

They are perfectly capable, left to their own devices, of solving the problem.

I am not sure I understand you. Are you saying the church has properly dealt with the number of homosexual priests in its ranks (including the seminaries - - some of which are referred to as "pink palaces?")

[count-your-change]

Here’s your punch line: “You’ve bought into the media agenda on this.”

[LadyDoc]

the abuse did happen...but it's old news and being hyped to destroy the present Pope, because he won't bow to their agenda of allowing abortion and promoting gay sex as normal.

excuse my cynicism, but not one story has highlighted the psychiatrists and psychologists who claimed these priests were cured and told the bishops to release them back into the community.

Back in the 1960’s we were told in medical school that Freud said most of these accusations were due to imagination...then in the 1970’s we were told that if all teens had sex without guilt (preferably with an older adult) it would prevent most mental illnesses. In the 1980’s, California decided that all sexual predators in jail could be treated as out patients, and that men guilty of incest should be treated as out patients because jailing them would be traumatic (i.e. the other prisoners would abuse them).

[D-fendr]

“You’ve bought into the media agenda on this.”

I've changed my opinion on that. You didn't even inform yourself on the issue. You're just ignorant on the topic.

[lentulusgracchus]

I mean that the Church knows how to be a damn sight tougher than anyone wants to look at, in getting to the bottom of things and shaking the bad elements out.

[SkyPilot]

I mean that the Church knows how to be a damn sight tougher than anyone wants to look at, in getting to the bottom of things and shaking the bad elements out.

I am sorry, but that would be laughable if the wreckage of human beings that we are dealing with here were not so tragic.

The Catholic church has done virtually nothing to deal with the incredible number of homosexual priests in its ranks. It has obfuscated and covered up this scandal for decades, and the only thing it did was make financial payments to victims - - and that was only because they lost many, many, many court cases and were ordered by judges and juries to do so. To the tune of about $2.5 Billion dollars.

I know Father Tom Doyle - he is a heck of a guy. He was the one bright shining candle that stood up for the sexual abuse victims in all of this. The Catholic church hated him for it. Did you know that the church finally "got" him a few years ago? He wrote a statement (as a canon lawyer) about the supposed "requirement" for daily mass.

Catholic Priest Who Aids Church Sexual Abuse Victims Loses Job

So, there is the church for you, "getting to the bottom of things and shaking the bad elements out." Only in this case, they fired the one guy who was assisting the victims who were raped by dozens and dozens of Catholic priests.

Did you read that article in full from my previous link? Do you see how evil has permeated the priesthood in the form of homosexuality?

You can stick you head in the sand if you want to. It's still (sort of) a free country.

[lentulusgracchus]

[You, quoting me] “Motive does in fact subvert authority — as when a public official acts within his offices, but with ulterior, corrupt agenda.”

Hmmm...a new theory of the exercise of authority?

No, an old one ..... that is used in courtrooms every single day to impeach motivated witnesses, and to convict public officers who've sold their offices. It's called "good faith".

You employed an "appeal to authority" above, when you commented to the other poster, neverdem,

But in making comparisons of cases of abuse definitions of what constitutes abuse matter greatly. Here from one of the studies referred to in the article are some pertinent comments on what is called abuse in the study:

and then, happening to have handy -- oh, look what I found! -- a source document, you drew out and threw down on the other poster what looks very much like ideal HRC seminar-poster material for a slapdown of ignorant, backward, resource-poor conservative posters, and proceeded to cut-and-paste quote it in extenso.

Too bad some of us have seen that dog-and-pony act before.

That would make a great defence for the predator priests....

Oh, but you don't have a problem with the "predator priests", do you? They were just expressing their essential and irreducible, existentially privileged inner natures when they "reached out" to express tender feelings of boy-love, weren't they?

The people you have a problem with are the doctrinal guardians who won't change their doctrine, and who won't tell us the God of Abraham was "just kidding" when he fixed the epithet of Abomination on the men of Sodom. That's the real problem, isn't it?

I wonder what the agenda is of a seven year old rape victim?

Crocodile tears. When was the last time you skinned yourself some chicken dinner?

[count-your-change]

Feel better?

[lentulusgracchus]

Feel better?>

You're still here, aren't you?

Who suggested you drop by FR to Mau-Mau the knuckledraggers, sport?

Or was it just a prompt from the Hive Mind?