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To: Flavious_Maximus

That’s not a good argument against being natural born. What if Japan decided to give all people with ancestors in Japan are Japanese citizens at birth regardless of where they are in the world? Does that make all “natural born” Americans ineligibleto be POTUS?

You may be able to argue that he would have to revoke his dual citizenship and never have used its status for any benefit, but being granted dual citizenship on it’s own is not enought to invalidate being naturally born.

Heck if Iran didn’t like Sarah Palin becoming President they could just declare her a citizen of Iran and then make her ineligible.


29 posted on 03/31/2010 9:34:13 AM PDT by for-q-clinton (If at first you don't succeed keep on sucking until you do succeed)
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To: for-q-clinton

Your argument makes no sense. Here’s why.

There is a legal definition of natural born that is different from native born. Natural born means that you are the child of parents who were born citizens of the USA and you were also born in the USA, or its territories. I think you could also be born to US citizens who were serving overseas in the employ of the US government.

Nobody knows for sure where (or when) Obama was born. He has a step grandmother in Kenya who claims that she was present at his birth in Kenya. There are/were Christian missionaries in Kenya who claim that they know he was born there.

His mother was enrolled and present at the University of Washington in Seattle 2 weeks after his supposed birth.

His “parents” never lived at the address on the bogus Hawaiian COLB that was posted on the Internet.

Nobody living seems to know when, or where, his parents were married. None of his classmates at the University of Hawaii seem to remember Obama’s mother at all. She was not a regular in their gatherings.

Hawaiian law at the time of his birth allowed a relative to request a Hawaiian birth certificate, even if the child was born elsewhere to Hawaiian parents. That law has been changed, but it was in effect until he was 2 years old.

He was listed as an Indonesian citizen and adopted by his stepfather as a small child.

Newspaper articles appeared when he was elected to the Senate touting him as the “first Kenyan to be elected to the US Senate”.

All of the aforementioned “witnesses” have been silenced, either by death, or by decree of the government.

If his father really was Barack Obama Sr., the marriage probably was illegal since US law does not recognize plural marriages.

The only way he could be a “natural born” citizen is if it turned out that Frank Marshall Davis was his father, but that would make his biography a lie.

DNA swab, anyone?

This is not as simplistic as some rogue nation declaring that Sarah Palin is now a citizen of their country and therefore ineligible. That argument is ludicrous.


42 posted on 03/31/2010 10:09:03 AM PDT by afraidfortherepublic
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To: for-q-clinton
The question of place of birth and duel citizenship are red herrings in all this. Obama's father was a British citizen and that prevents Obama from being a natural born citizen. A natural born citizen does not mean he was born here but that both his parents were citizens and he was born in the US or born somewhere else where one or both of his parents served in the military or for the consular service. The definition of a natural born citizen was taken by the writers of the constitution from,The Law of Nations, a book Benjamin Franklin read and gave to fellow framers. British common law defined native citizens as anyone born anywhere to a British citizen, which we fought a war over when the impressment of our citizen sailors by the British Navy led to the War of 1812. Unless statute law has changed Obama has never been qualified to hold the office. Neither was Chester A Arthur, whose father was a Canadian or Irish citizen but definitely not American at the time of Arthur's birth. Any lawyers out there who can comment on the statute law regarding this, if it has changed, are welcomed to.
115 posted on 03/31/2010 8:46:23 PM PDT by pokerone (Live Free or Die)
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To: for-q-clinton

The Iran could make Sarah Palin a citizen is a bogus argument for one simple reason, Sarah Palin would have to recognize Iranian citizenship of it to be true.

Obama has officially recognized that he is a British Subject as well as a Kenyan Citizen on his own website as well as his Fight the Smears website so all we need now is the direct evidence that proves it beyond a shadow of a doubt or his Original Birth certificate.

Since as has been proven time and time again a COLB (like the one Obama has been using) isn’t even accepted by the State of Hawaii as the definitive proof in all legal cases that you were born there, only his Original Birth certificate can be used to prove his eligibility.


148 posted on 04/01/2010 9:07:05 AM PDT by usmcobra (Your chances of dying in bed are reduced by getting out of it, but most people still die in bed)
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