Highly Decorated Army Surgeon Wants Obama To Prove Citizenship

Press Release ^ | 3/30/1020 | American Patriot Foundation

[verity]

Currently, the scope of my interest in limited to LTC Lakin and the judicial consequences of his action.

BTW, 24 months is sufficient time for Obongo to cause irreparable damage. And, Israel will have already nuked Iran.

[OldDeckHand]

"If you were his counsel, would you run him through a psych eval? "

There wouldn't be much point. Despite what you might see on television, the threshold one must meet to effectively employ an affirmative defense based on mental defect, is VERY high. The likelihood of the Dr. prevailing at trial with such a defense is zero. And, let's face it, such a defense would undercut the very political point he's apparently willing to forfeit his career and his profession to make.

Like I said, it's an awful lot to throw away, to receive nothing in return.

[jesseam]

I hope his six is covered. God Bless this true American Patriot.

[MissDairyGoodnessVT]

Well for starters,Occidental College released infomation on ole’Barry Soetoro (thru FOIA request)as being the recipient of Fulbright funds for a scholarship to attend and he claims he was a foreign student at the time.

this is one messed up turd

[verity]

What I was suggesting, in a non eloquent manner, was a possible methodology for this to transition from a judicial proceeding to an administrative proceeding. Of course, this is purely academic because this is such a high profile case.

God bless the Convening Authority. ;-0

Thanks for your reply.

[little jeremiah]

The ramifications of a Constitutionally unqualified usurper beling allowed to squat in the White House are much, much worse.

[little jeremiah]

Biden would be neutered as well as the entire Dem leadership, and many might face jail time.

After the dust settled, the standing of the US internationally would be higher among allies, and of course enemies would hate us no matter what.

Riots? So rioting idiots and thugs should rule what happens as to whether we have a legitimate or illegitimate president? I don’t think the Constiution has a clause or amendment authorizing that. What is it - America follows the “rule of riots” or the “rule of law”?

It would be EXPENSIVE to nullify the shitpile 0kaka has signed?

You’re from Kos or DU, right? I didn’t check your signup date and comments, I will now!

[wbill]

You’re from Kos or DU ....No need to resort to insults. DUmmies do this when they don't have a leg to stand on.

When you get done beating your chest, sit down. We'll talk.

[browardchad]

IMHO, about the only shot "birthers" (and I use that in a descriptive, not a derogatory manner) have is for the 2012 elections, where candidates will *NEED* to provide the long form BC by law in various states.

Please name a state that requires a "long form" birth certificate.

[wbill]

Please name a state that requires a "long form" birth certificate.

I've caught a number of threads here on FR about states that are working on legislation for it. AZ comes immediately to mind, but don't trust me on that. Hopefully the regs will be in place by 2012.

Don't get me wrong, I'd love to see it happen nationwide. If, for no other reason that we avoid a mess like this again.

But - As close as the elections have been of late, regs like this would only need to be enacted by a couple of states. I don't think candidates could "skip" one, and if they did, it would be an even bigger red flag, IMHO.

[Technical Editor]

If you are a U.S. citizen now, and you never were naturalized as a U.S. citizen, then you are a natural born citizen. There are only two kinds of citizens: natural born and naturalized.

The citizenship of your parents has nothing to do with yours.

If you are a U.S. citizen now, and you never were naturalized as a U.S. citizen, then you are a natural born citizen.

If you are a U.S. citizen now, and you never were naturalized as a U.S. citizen, then you are a natural born citizen.

The citizenship of your parents has nothing to do with yours.

If you are a U.S. citizen now, and you never were naturalized as a U.S. citizen, then you are a natural born citizen.

If you are a U.S. citizen now, and you never were naturalized as a U.S. citizen, then you are a natural born citizen.

If you are a U.S. citizen now, and you never were naturalized as a U.S. citizen, then you are a natural born citizen.

If you are a U.S. citizen now, and you never were naturalized as a U.S. citizen, then you are a natural born citizen.

If you are a U.S. citizen now, and you never were naturalized as a U.S. citizen, then you are a natural born citizen.

If you are a U.S. citizen now, and you never were naturalized as a U.S. citizen, then you are a natural born citizen. If you are a U.S. citizen now, and you never were naturalized as a U.S. citizen, then you are a natural born citizen.

If you are a U.S. citizen now, and you never were naturalized as a U.S. citizen, then you are a natural born citizen. If you are a U.S. citizen now, and you never were naturalized as a U.S. citizen, then you are a natural born citizen.

There are only two kinds of citizens: natural born and naturalized.

There are only two kinds of citizens: natural born and naturalized. If you are a U.S. citizen now, and you never were naturalized as a U.S. citizen, then you are a natural born citizen.

If you are a U.S. citizen now, and you never were naturalized as a U.S. citizen, then you are a natural born citizen.There are only two kinds of citizens: natural born and naturalized.

There are only two kinds of citizens: natural born and naturalized. If you are a U.S. citizen now, and you never were naturalized as a U.S. citizen, then you are a natural born citizen.

The citizenship of your parents has nothing to do with yours. If you are a U.S. citizen now, and you never were naturalized as a U.S. citizen, then you are a natural born citizen.

[Red Steel]

Currently, the scope of my interest in limited to LTC Lakin and the judicial consequences of his action.

[browardchad]

Well for starters,Occidental College released infomation on ole’Barry Soetoro (thru FOIA request)as being the recipient of Fulbright funds for a scholarship to attend and he claims he was a foreign student at the time.

Really? IIRC, Occidental didn't release anything. If  you have a link to the supposed FOIA response,  please post. (Note: the tired April Fools' article from last year doesn't count.)

[Red Steel]

If you are a U.S. citizen now, and you never were naturalized as a U.S. citizen, then you are a natural born citizen.

No and nope...about 20 times over.

[wbill]

However....I should add that really, do you think that it makes a difference at this point?

If BO produced a long-form BC, in triplicate, notarized, and signed in blood by 12 upstanding Conservative Republican Witnesses as "Certified Authentic".....how long would it take people here on FR to say "Looks fake to me." and start questioning the motives of whoever released/signed/notarized it?

The time to get the BC issue resolved has passed- at least for the 2008 elections, and likely BO as well - that horse has long since gotten out of the barn.

IMHO, not that you asked....I think that birthers are asking the wrong question. "Where's the BC?" ain't it.

I talked to my Dad a bit about this. Per dad (and any freepers who've got 1st hand knowledge, feel free to chime in.....) back in the mid 60's, air travel was much simpler. If you had a ticket, you just got on a plane - no security, no questions asked, etc etc etc.

Problem was that flights were fewer and farther between, and jet travel - especially international jet travel - was prohibitively expensive. So I ask, how does BO's Mom, an unwed, pregnant, 17-year-old girl, get to jet-set all over the country, to Canada, to Cuba, to Kenya, to Hawaii? Where'd the money come from? Was she just a high-priced callgirl with an affinity for Marxist revolutionaries? Who was backing her?

We might not ever be able to get our hands on a honest-to-goodness, authentic, long-form BC. But, if those questions can be answered, I think that it's possible to figure out what's on it.

Just my $0.02. Taking the tinfoil hat off now....

[verity]

Thanks.

I would appreciate being included on any ping list you may have regarding further judicial proceedings.

[browardchad]

I've caught a number of threads here on FR about states that are working on legislation for it. AZ comes immediately to mind, but don't trust me on that. Hopefully the regs will be in place by 2012.

Yes, there are a few states that have proposed legislation demanding a birth certificate, but none have been explicit in demanding  a "long form," for the simple reason that such a demand would be shot down by the courts, since the "short form" is now regularly issued by many states, and is recognized as legal proof of birth by Federal agencies, including the SSA and the DOS.

[mountainbunny]

Since this precise tactic has already been tried (Captain Connie Rhodes, MD - also a doctor) and failed (she ended up reporting for for deployment and shipped out to Iraq. Orly Taitz garnered a $20,000 fine), what can he possibly hope to gain?

Am I missing something? Is there any difference between this case and Captain Rhodes’ case which could change the outcome?

[wbill]

but none have been explicit in demanding a "long form,"

ah, I didn't know that. But like I said in #75, really, I don't think it's going to settle anything.

There are no winners here, I think. A plurality of Americans really shot themselves in the the foot in '08.

[Beckwith]

Natural born means that you are the child of parents who were born citizens of the USA and you were also born in the USA, or its territories.

Not so. A parent, or parents, could have been naturalized. They do not have to be "native born." The requirement is that they are citizens at the time of birth.

I think you could also be born to US citizens who were serving overseas in the employ of the US government.

Also incorrect. A child of two American citizens, overseas, whether in the military of not, would become citizens via the naturalization process. Thousands upon thousands of military dependants born in germany, for example, have dual citizenship.

McCain, who was born in the Republic of Panama, has his very own statute in the US Code:

Sec. 303. [8 U.S.C. 1403] Persons born in the Canal Zone or the Republic of Panama on or after February 26, 1904

(b) Any person born in the Republic of Panama on or after February 26, 1904, and whether before or after the effective date of this Act, whose father or mother or both at the time of the birth of such person was or is a citizen of the United States employed by the Government of the United States or by the Panama Railroad Company, or its successor in title, is declared to be a citizen of the United States.

The easiest way to understand "natural born" citizen is this, if your citizenship depends on a statute, you are a citizen, but not a "natural born" citizen.

See Four Cases