Posted on 03/31/2010 9:00:21 AM PDT by americanpatriotfoundation
Confusion. It aids the enemy.
Your argument makes no sense. Here’s why.
There is a legal definition of natural born that is different from native born. Natural born means that you are the child of parents who were born citizens of the USA and you were also born in the USA, or its territories. I think you could also be born to US citizens who were serving overseas in the employ of the US government.
Nobody knows for sure where (or when) Obama was born. He has a step grandmother in Kenya who claims that she was present at his birth in Kenya. There are/were Christian missionaries in Kenya who claim that they know he was born there.
His mother was enrolled and present at the University of Washington in Seattle 2 weeks after his supposed birth.
His “parents” never lived at the address on the bogus Hawaiian COLB that was posted on the Internet.
Nobody living seems to know when, or where, his parents were married. None of his classmates at the University of Hawaii seem to remember Obama’s mother at all. She was not a regular in their gatherings.
Hawaiian law at the time of his birth allowed a relative to request a Hawaiian birth certificate, even if the child was born elsewhere to Hawaiian parents. That law has been changed, but it was in effect until he was 2 years old.
He was listed as an Indonesian citizen and adopted by his stepfather as a small child.
Newspaper articles appeared when he was elected to the Senate touting him as the “first Kenyan to be elected to the US Senate”.
All of the aforementioned “witnesses” have been silenced, either by death, or by decree of the government.
If his father really was Barack Obama Sr., the marriage probably was illegal since US law does not recognize plural marriages.
The only way he could be a “natural born” citizen is if it turned out that Frank Marshall Davis was his father, but that would make his biography a lie.
DNA swab, anyone?
This is not as simplistic as some rogue nation declaring that Sarah Palin is now a citizen of their country and therefore ineligible. That argument is ludicrous.
So he has tried to resolve this through his chain of command but they turned out to be wimps who don't value their oaths --
I'm no legal scholar, but I did stay at a Holiday Inn last night....
IF - he has no legal standing to be president, then I'd imagine that all of his executive orders would be vacated immediately. Any bills he's signed into law would be either null and void, or subject to immediate challenge. Would we just get a national "never mind" and forget about the past few years? I dunno. I *do* know that the stock markets would be rocked - lots of companies leaning one way (think "got to get ready for Health Care", oops, never mind....) would need change their plans 180 degrees. That'd be expensive, to say the least.
I don't know how it would affect our standing internationally, but I can't imagine that it would be positive.
And that's just the legal side. Domestically, I think that if he was tossed due to some sort of irregularity, then I think that his supporters - blacks especially - would riot. Would make LA and Rodney King look like Romper Room.
Besides, that'd leave us with President Biden. I'm not sure that's an improvement.
I hadn't heard that one yet. Makes as much sense as anything.
Obama Says Tea Party Is Built Around Core Group of Birthers (Video)
Maybe we should take a good look at Obama’s eligibility to be president…….
The Obama Files
http://www.theobamafile.com/index_next_eligibility.html
What is Obama hiding?
Why Can Obama Keep College Papers Hidden
http://www.scribd.com/doc/17682329/Why-Can-Obama-Keep-College-Papers-Hidden
“Barack Obama was born with DUEL-citizenship”. Try DUAL
But, can we get close enough to smack him with a glove?
I hope his lawyer isn’t Tally Orlitz and if it is this case is going nowhere.
Yeah, but he black.
I have no idea as to why, not be a lawyer nor do I watch them on TV, but Americans have no Constitutional/legal standing to see the POTUS’ birth documents regardless of how the actions of the POTUS effect us. Doesn’t matter anyway. The Constitution is not a living breathing document. It’s dead, Jim.
Even God will hold him at arms length.lol
Your views, ODH?
Hi Non-Seq.
He’s got about 12 months to show his BC before people in his own Party start demanding it because they want an eligible candidate for 2012.
That will be another Historic moment for our Kenyan Chief.
Consider this: I'm an American, living in Thailand; I have a Thai driver's license. Obviously, not just any proof would be acceptable. Obama would have had to produce adoption papers from his Indonesian step-father, or a Kenyan birth certificate, or a Kenyan, British, or Indonesian passport, in order to qualify. Of course, being dutiful little bureaucrats, the Financial Aid office would have made copies of all of his documents, which should still exist today.
I don't know either. Any competent counsel, irrespective of hourly rate, would tell him the same thing - that this will only end with his dismissal (a best case scenario), or his conviction at General Court-Martial (a worst case scenario). There are no other legally possible outcomes.
There are civilian implications as well. If he's is found guilty at a General Court-Martial (should one be convened), that conviction is the civilian equivalent of a felony conviction. He would be placing his license to practice medicine in jeopardy, as well. He certainly would no longer be able to prescribe schedule III drugs, and whatever state holds his license might move to revoke it. I'm not completely familiar with the medical licensing standards, but I do believe you cannot hold a medical license if you're convicted of a felony, at least no in the US.
Yes indeedy
I know Terry, and he’s serious as a heart attack about this.
My argument makes perfect sense to those claiming Obama was born in the US but of a british father so he acquired dual citizenship.
That’s the problem with “birthers” there are just so many arguments about why he isn’t qualified. Some make sense others don’t. If he was born in Kenya and we can prove it then yes he is ineligible. But if he’s born in the US but another country decided to give him citizenship (whether at birth or later in life) then it shouldn’t matter unless he took advantage of that citizenship (like applying for foreign student aid or travling on a visa from that country).
Whats on the Horizon :
Somewhere, in the year 2011 or 2012, a politician will make a public announcement in front of a court house that he is providing all Birth documents in accordance with state law to qualify (in that state) for a run for president.
At that moment, he will announce that Obama has refused to release the same documents to comply with the qualification requirements. He will then demand that Obama be omitted from the process because he is not above the law.
The Kenyan/British/Indonesian crap hits the fan within 24 months.
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