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The people who immerse themselves in real-time weather data (not historical reconstuctions) every day are skeptical of global warming.
1 posted on 03/29/2010 3:04:58 PM PDT by reaganaut1
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To: steelyourfaith

global warming ping


2 posted on 03/29/2010 3:05:31 PM PDT by reaganaut1
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“Climatologists, who study weather patterns over time, almost universally endorse the view that the earth is warming and that humans have contributed to climate change.”

That is pure BS and destroys his main argument.


4 posted on 03/29/2010 3:16:48 PM PDT by Parley Baer
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To: reaganaut1

I’m surprised that the NYT can calmly discuss the debate without getting hysterical about jailing the ‘deniers’.


5 posted on 03/29/2010 3:22:50 PM PDT by Spok (Free Range Republican)
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” ... Climatologists, who study weather patterns over time, almost universally endorse the view that the earth is warming and that humans have contributed to climate change. Meteorologists, who predict short-term weather patterns, are not so sure. .. “
Poppycock - the difference is between who is taking money via grants and subsidizing career advancement, and who is a regular working guy with a salary! IMHO


6 posted on 03/29/2010 3:23:44 PM PDT by J Edgar
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The split between climate scientists and meteorologists is gaining attention in political and academic circles because polls show that public skepticism about global warming is increasing, and weather forecasters — especially television forecasters — dominate communications channels to the public”

Man that must be frustrating as all get out to the warming cheerleaders. It seems that bad science and the print media ain’t what it used to be. And now we’ve got those pesky meteorologists to deal with. How’s a scammer gonna catch a break?


7 posted on 03/29/2010 3:26:28 PM PDT by bereanway (Sarah get your gun)
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To: reaganaut1; Ernest_at_the_Beach

Bastardi has been right on the money for years now.


8 posted on 03/29/2010 3:31:06 PM PDT by BOBTHENAILER ( EPA will rule your life)
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To: reaganaut1

who uses the weatherman any more? it is straight to the NOAA site where THEY get the same information.

The tv stations should just bring back the bikini weather girl in the clear raincoat and regain their credibility (/s)


9 posted on 03/29/2010 3:31:18 PM PDT by longtermmemmory (VOTE! http://www.senate.gov and http://www.house.gov)
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Why is climatology a “science” and meteorology not? Meteorology makes predictions that are confirmed or falsified. Climatology makes predictions that are forgotten or obsolete before they can be verified. Meteorology is empirical, but climatology is speculative.

Another case of trying to win the word game by calling the ones that the authors agree with scientists but denying that description to the ones that the authors disagree with.


11 posted on 03/29/2010 4:39:25 PM PDT by djpg
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To: reaganaut1; SunkenCiv
They are not grant recipients....their money comes from other sources.
14 posted on 03/29/2010 5:26:30 PM PDT by Ernest_at_the_Beach ( Support Geert Wilders)
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To: reaganaut1; SunkenCiv
They are not grant recipients....their money comes from other sources.
17 posted on 03/29/2010 5:30:03 PM PDT by Ernest_at_the_Beach ( Support Geert Wilders)
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To: AdmSmith; Berosus; bigheadfred; Convert from ECUSA; dervish; Ernest_at_the_Beach; Fred Nerks; ...
...pitting environmentalists against industry and coal-state Democrats against coastal liberals.

18 posted on 03/29/2010 5:49:38 PM PDT by SunkenCiv ("Fools learn from experience. I prefer to learn from the experience of others." -- Otto von Bismarck)
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More than a quarter of the weathercasters in the survey agreed with the statement, "Global warming is a scam," the researchers found.
 
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19 posted on 03/29/2010 5:52:15 PM PDT by SunkenCiv ("Fools learn from experience. I prefer to learn from the experience of others." -- Otto von Bismarck)
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To: reaganaut1
Climatologists are almost always affiliated with universities...

...and rely 100% on Government funding for their livelihoods. They will be long dead before their disaster scenarios will be proven wrong by history. They are free to forecast any damn thing they choose to and they never have to live with their mistakes.

The humble TV weather man, on the other hand, only has to get the forecast right most of the time for the next day, or next week, in order to keep his job. People actually do rely on what he says, not just for picnics or golf, but for business. If he screws up, it can cost lots of money, or even lives!

The fact is, while the 'university PhDs with their big grants and billion dollar computer models keep calling it wrong season after season, (where did all the hurricanes they called for go?) the humble TV weather forecasters get it right most of the time. When they miss a big event, they are toast.

They are not perfect, but at least they are applying proven scientific principles to a mathematically 'chaotic' equation. They are not using questionable 'models' based on unproven theories and cooked historical data intentionally spiked to show a linear response that has never once been demonstrated to be accurate.

I take Joe Bustardi, the weather guy, over Michael Mann any day. Interestingly, they are both at Penn State.

24 posted on 03/29/2010 8:11:04 PM PDT by Ditto
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One of the big difference is that meteorologists work with models, understand how models work, and know how models need to be validated.

The global climate models cannot be validated because they have essentially only one “run” to validate against. Daily weather models have hundreds of runs a year to validate against, and are being improved all the time, based on what is really happening.

Meteorologists know that this cannot be done with climate for at least hundreds of years, so the models only show what the modelers think they should show.

25 posted on 03/29/2010 8:18:12 PM PDT by marktwain
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