Massive Federal Raid in Lenawee County

http://www.wxyz.com/news/story/Massive-Federal-Raid-in-Lenawee-County/eE6ZljBWa0uFOMUdtOLzvw.cspx ^

[goat granny]

Those groups are too mean and nasty for the FBI. They pick the easy low hanging fruit...

[Steve Van Doorn]

makes no sense

[al baby]

Perhaps some PVC and end caps is a good investment now.

Here where I live you have to show a valid id with picture to buy any type of plumbing end caps

[bushpilot1]

A future news story: Holder orders the FBI and ATF to raid residences and work locations of members freerepublic. Holder determined no warrant was necessary.

Any one wanna bet this is not being planned.

[patriot08]

There’s no such thing as a moderate muslim. Islam is a violent political ideology with its own set of laws and court system. Religion is only one component used to impose islam on non muslim societies. Islam is anathema to the U.S. Constitution. The two cannot co-exist in the U.S.

[equaviator]

“2. Jesus doesn’t need any help. When He appears He will slay all that oppose Him instantly.”

If that’s what you really believe then I would have to ask you where your “Prince of Peace” has gone.

[equaviator]

“Illegal alien gangs and the drug cartels are who the FBI should be concentrating on.”

Add to that the international black muslim drug cartels. It’s not as though they don’t exist.

[cricket]

makes no sense

while there are plenty per 'google'; just these two help explain the MO of this Administration; and the threat we know that THEY pose for America:

Napolitano changes Islamic Terrorism into “man-caused disasters ...Mar 17, 2009 ... Napolitano changes Islamic Terrorism into “man-caused .... sheikyermami.com/.../napolitano-changes-islamic-terrorism-into-man-caused-disasters-hopenchange-at-work/ - Cached - Similar

Janet Napolitano: Domestic Terrorism Is Top ConcernFeb 21, 2010 ... Your Name: optional, but suggested. Personal Note: optional .... Napolitano: Groups Want To Commit Domestic Terrorism : Homeland . ... www.huffingtonpost

Isolate your target. . .(Christians i.e. 'Right-wingers/Republicans/Conservatives/' all who oppose Obama's Marxist-change agenda and theaten his success). . .

This is just a variation of Alynsky Rule 12. . .(it's what they know/do)

RULE 12: Pick the target, freeze it, personalize it, and polarize it." Cut off the support network and isolate the target from sympathy.

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They have been preparing the 'ground' for this and now they are ready.

This is only the beginning, of course. . .

[cripplecreek]

The media certainly knows how to yank some strings. There is no such animal as “islamic descent” and the vast majority of people of middle eastern descent in Michigan are Christian. That’s like saying I’m of nazi descent because of my German heritage.

The Michigan Militia has been around for decades and is in no way shape or form “islamic”. The media accidently told you that the Michigan Militia isn’t racist and you’re latching onto their poor (or deliberate) choice of words.

This Hutaree group on the other hand is far more suspicious. If you’re being raided by the FBI, why would you run to another militia compound with the FBI hot on your tail? Sounds like a set up to me. Also, how does this Hutaree member make a phone call in the middle of an FBI raid?

Some of these Hutaree guys may be OK but I suspect that over time we’ll find that that had a serious federal infection. I suspect that the raid was the bait and the other two longstanding Militia groups didn’t take it. (The feds failed)

[cricket]

There is no such animal as “islamic descent” and the vast majority of people of middle eastern descent in Michigan are Christian.

Well, I never referenced 'Islamic descent' and poster offered they were being treated 'as if religion were now a race'. Did offer that the largest Muslim constituency is in Michigan and John Conyers is their Congressman. For certain; they are being served well; and were duly notified of 'threat' in their midst.

Regardless of details; they have just been gifted with another recruitment tool that works well in Obama's hands as well. So they hope; anyway.

[cripplecreek]

I'm not sure what John Conyers constituency has to do with the Adrian area. His district does have the heaviest concentration of muslims but this is the 7th district which is traditionally very conservative. (we're the home of Hillsdale college)


Michigan is not overrun by muslims nor is the entire state Detroit.

Regardless of details; they have just been gifted with another recruitment tool that works well in Obama's hands as well. So they hope; anyway.

Can't disagree with you there which also makes me wonder how many Hutaree members are feds. The Michigan Militia on the other hand has been around for decades and have built a great deal of trust in this area despite media hype. If they say there was a problem with the Hutaree group, I'm inclined to believe them.

[cricket]

This was first reported with Islamic references including the Militia's being paranoid about Muslims. Given that they are in 'their midst' it would seem - form militia'a point of view - at least a reasonable paranoia; from their perspective.

They are now reporting another story altogether, re it was their intent to 'kill policeman' and by extension their families/friends as mourners when they show up for their funerals.

The entire unfolding seems over the top; so guess we will have to wait and see which is the more extreme here. The militia; or the response to it.

Muslims aside; can only observe that the timing of this seems just a bit suspect. . .given the desperate attempts/need/efforts thus far, for this Administration to isolate their targets and demonize all those on the Right; by WHATever associations they can manipulate.

[Is2C]

“2. Jesus doesn’t need any help. When He appears He will slay all that oppose Him instantly.”

If that’s what you really believe then I would have to ask you where your “Prince of Peace” has gone.

He was murdered about 2000 years ago, ending his "Peace" tour. When He comes back He'll complete His "Vengeance and Judgement" Tour *afterwhich* comes everlasting peace.

[equaviator]

“He was murdered about 2000 years ago, ending his “Peace” tour. When He comes back He’ll complete His “Vengeance and Judgement” Tour *afterwhich* comes everlasting peace.”

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I’m not so sure that He is meant to be just “part-time” as the Prince of Peace.

Are you saying that the bible says that at first, he wasn’t (Jesus, turning the tables) then he was (as risen), then he won’t be again (”Vengeance and Judgement”) but then resumes his work as the Prince of Peace again? That sure sounds like part-time to me. Especially if it’s all meant to run in perpetude as a God + Man-driven cycle.

Perhaps it is possible for good and evil to co-exist within the same human, heavenly, or devilish body.

[equaviator]

“Muslims aside; can only observe that the timing of this seems just a bit suspect. . .given the desperate attempts/need/efforts thus far, for this Administration to isolate their targets and demonize all those on the Right; by WHATever associations they can manipulate.”

The recent terrorist bombings in Russia seem a bit “timely” as well.

[Is2C]

I’m not so sure that He is meant to be just “part-time” as the Prince of Peace.

Are you saying that the bible says that at first, he wasn’t (Jesus, turning the tables) then he was (as risen), then he won’t be again (”Vengeance and Judgement”) but then resumes his work as the Prince of Peace again? That sure sounds like part-time to me. Especially if it’s all meant to run in perpetude as a God + Man-driven cycle.

(Sorry for the delayed response, I'm not on here very often)

It isn't a matter of good or evil, it's a matter of purpose and message. Turning over tables of people who are perverting something holy by selling prostitutes in the house of His Father isn't what most people would consider 'evil'. He wasn't peaceful or 'good' "as risen", He was peaceful and preached peace during His 33 years on earth as an example to *us* for how *we* are supposed to behave, not to define Himself. He fulfilled that role and ended that age. He came and gave everyone the message, and it's up to them what they do with it. At the end of this age He will be the one to judge what everyone has done with His message and how they have treated His followers (i.e. vengeance for martyrs - hence my tag line)