CNN, Huffington Post Urge Violence Against Republicans

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[steve86]

The early Christians managed to survive te biggest military and political system of their time by the patience and the faith of the saints .

I agree but on an individual basis many ended up as martyrs.

[gimme1ibertee]

CNN, Huffington Post Urge Violence Against Republicans

Oh...really? Be warned-I can bust azz with the best of 'em,so if you that bad...bring it!!!! :)

[Outlaw Woman]

...to be a civil war in this country for the simple reason that both sides want there to be one.

I respectfully disagree and don't believe I'm alone when I say we do not want a war but as you so clearly pointed out..we have been cornered. We have lived by the creed, 'live and let live' never dreaming that a radical element would take over.

We've allowed this because we always had the choice to allow it. Schools polluted? Take your child out. Homesexual sex on display? Just turn your head. People screaming obscenities and unbelievable rhetoric against all that is good? We rationalized it in our minds that they would 'grow up' and 'get a life'.

No this is it. Now the choices are being removed and if we want to live free...then the obvious will happen. But they will be the ones to start it. Freedom isn't free or will it be bloodless.

[lentulusgracchus]

In order to get back their voting rights they had to pass three amendments banning slavery and giving rights to former slaves.

Well, "somebody" did, but it wasn't the people who'd had their voting rights taken away for supporting the Confederacy.

I'd thought the military governments and carpetbag governments did that, but not the "reconstructed" Confederates. Bobby Lee, btw, I don't think was "reconstructed" -- I don't think he ever participated in public life again, other than his university post. Correct me if I err.

There would be a similar list of amendments and clarifications attached to readmission after CWII. Not so much new amendments, but strengthening and clarifying the 2nd, 5th and 10th amendments.

Well, I guess we disagree about that, prioritywise.

I don't think you can leave those people within the polity.

I mean, yes, you have to do those things -- to repair the damage. But first you have to remove the pathogen: the Democratic "Progressives" (neo-Stalinists) and their convinced allies. You have to identify and excise them physically at retail, one by one, all of them, from the body politic and remove all their connexions to it. And you have to do it without doing a Suharto, i.e. a bloody pogrom, or anything like that. You also have to distinguish between old-fashioned liberals (of the Henry "Scoop" Jackson/Jack Kennedy/Hubert Humphrey variety, so-called "Defense Democrats" -- not "Blue Dogs" which are a Klintoonish Frankenstein monster, "moderates" who turn into Nancy Pelosi clones when the question's called) and the neo-Stalinists, too, so political perspicuousness and patience are called for.

You'd have to just get rid of some irreclaimable States, too; I don't think you can do a thing with Massachusetts, for example.

And you have to solve a) your demographic problem of beach-storming vota-Democratica Mexican Socialist immigrants that the 'Rats are trying to get to the voting booth, b) your demographic problem of family formation in the Republican States, and c) your infowar problem of 'Rats' control of media and academe -- you'd have to clean them both out somehow, and cut off the propaganda "neural plexus" in New York (w/ apologies to Gene Roddenberry) from the rest of the country.

[onemiddleamerican]

I know the violent rhetoric is real, and that there are crazy leftists who will take it as the go-ahead to perpetrate violence. I have to laugh when I think of President Mom-Jeans "going gangsta" on a freedom-loving American, without a crapload of his goons backing him up.

Were she still alive, my 101 year old grandma could have kicked his behind barehanded and left him crying like a baby.
(Note to Obamabots and other radical leftists reading this: My comment is simply words I am using to describe what a big-mouthed sissy your small-m messiah is. Get over it.)

[Varsity Flight]

“Thou shall not steal.” 20:15
“Thou shall not covet ....” 20:17 (full text follows)

“But KNOW THIS, that if the goodman of the house had known what hour the thief would come, he would have WATCHED, and not have suffered his house to be broken into.” Luke 12:39

Level I Watch/Action:

1. The first front is that of communications. Your good neighbor of surrounding locations need to be on full alert (watch), so as you may be able at all times to communicate/inform them as to what is happening....as the thefts may come in different forms.

A. Perhaps unannounced debit of bank acct. assets. Tell immediately your trusted neighbors.

B. “Information” “notices”, to force one’s hands in revealing personal information related to “so called “health” matters. Example. personal health history, name of physicians, clinics, records. Mental health type questions. Tell your trusted neighbors

C. Employer history (complete).

D. Health competency fee/tax test for firearms.

E. Health property inspections. Health inspections of domestic fireplaces, woodstoves. Inspections and approvals of burn media. Again all of the above tell your trusted neighbors.

F. On site and domestic private “health” transportation inspections

G. Any so called “health” item, which can mean anything related “environmental.”, (including pets) Communicate to neighbors.

Level II Watch/Action

A. Asset debits
B. Wage/income garnishment.
B. Partial property seizure

Level III/Action

A. Forcing bankruptcy through legal fees.
B. Complete seizure.

I am preparing to appeal to friends and neighbors by communications, legal letters, etc., for notification as to what is happening.

Any one of either Level I(A), or II, and III thefts, may set off the next Lexington Green, in the form of “cell” “community” “town” resistance to these thefts and privacy violations. From there, unfortunately escalations, the first and most significant will be “Fort Ticonderoga II.”

[GonzoGOP]

Bobby Lee, btw, I don't think was "reconstructed"

No but he was the one who told his troops go return home and told them to be as good citizens as they had been soldiers. He just as easily could have told them to take to the hills and keep fighting. After the war he supported Johnson's program of reconstruction. While he was opposed to giving the vote to freed slaves, he strongly supported and the reintegration of former Confederates into national politics.

And Longstreet and Joe Wheeler ended up in congress. So you can't say that former Confederates were completely shut out of politics. Wheeler even ended up back in a blue uniform.

If there were a CW II there would need to be a Nurnburg of sorts to get rid of the Cloward and Piven types. But like Jeff Davis the progressive university professors and radicals don't need to be hung, just retired, but with full knowledge that if they come out of retirement the noose is waiting. But for the most part the rank and file wouldn't need to be deported, and we certainly should not consider giving up an inch of territory. Some of the former progressives might want to emigrate to Canada or elsewhere, and we shouldn't stop them. But they will not be allowed to take a chunk of the US with them.

[lentulusgracchus]

If there were a CW II there would need to be a Nurnburg of sorts to get rid of the Cloward and Piven types.

Agreed, remitting the rope. They are certainly traitors and saboteurs, but I think hanging them would be too hard to justify to most people, who have no idea how destructive pathological intellectuals can be.

But for the most part the rank and file wouldn't need to be deported, and we certainly should not consider giving up an inch of territory.

Disagree. Right now the two sides are somewhere within hog-calling distance of equipoise, and soon the Marxists will be trying to put us in labor camps.

Your basic problem is the progress the Reds have made in propagandizing liberals into becoming "Progressives" and supporting all these Stalinist political-infrastructural moves (like the "czars"). They've got half the people on their side, year in and year out, in presidential elections, and in '08, by lying vigorously, they opened some daylight on us.

You have to dump the New England States and their 30,000,000 "blue" (Red) votes, just to buy yourself some time to solve the underlying problems of unrestricted immigration and weed the neo-Stalinists out of positions of influence.

[lentulusgracchus]

You also need, btw, to alienate the Ivy League privilege academies (I'd throw Cornell and Princeton out of the country, let them relocate to New Brunswick!), and you also need to cut off the media complex in New York.

You need to amputate the TV networks, wall them out of American life. Their news organizations are full of pathologically Red people, and their ability to spread lies and disinformation is too powerful to leave in place.

Wreck them, or grovel to them -- those are their terms!

[GonzoGOP]

You also need, btw, to alienate the Ivy League privilege academies (I'd throw Cornell and Princeton out of the country, let them relocate to New Brunswick!), and you also need to cut off the media complex in New York. You need to amputate the TV networks, wall them out of American life. Their news organizations are full of pathologically Red people, and their ability to spread lies and disinformation is too powerful to leave in place.

Some of these problems take care of themselves. Remember this discussion assumes there has been a no rules, total warfare, W. T. Sherman was a humanitarian in comparison, civil war. The universities, and the Headquarters of the left, are probably smoldering ruins by this point, and even if not there hasn't been much more than a substance economy for a decade or so. Nobody is going to Harvard even if a few of the buildings have survived the destruction.

As for the TV Networks. Some won't survive the war. Both Washington and Sherman tended to make sure that Loyalist and Confederate papers didn't stay open in towns that they occupied. CNN's survival in its Atlanta Georgia headquarters seems unlikely. As for the rest, look to Japan and Germany after world war II. There were still radio broadcasts and newspaper in those occupied countries after the war. But one of the conditions of the surrender was that the progressive Fascists wouldn't be writing the copy any more.

And that has to be the model for how a free government can be brought out of a totalitarian state. In both of those countries the progressives had complete control over the press, police, education, and government apparatus. And in each case they were cleansed, without a post war blood bath and without completely destroying the institutions once controlled by the progressive state governments. In Japan and Germany we did have to string up the worst of the worst, but when you consider how bad the war had been, very few went to the gallows.

[Oceander]

Didn't ya know, it's all just metaphorical and stuff, just like Madonna said the other night about her threats of physical violence.

[lentulusgracchus]

Remember this discussion assumes there has been a no rules, total warfare, W. T. Sherman was a humanitarian in comparison, civil war.

I didn't assume that, but rather hoped to get to the goal line without giving the enemy lots of dead bodies to cry crocodile tears over.

Too, Obama owns the nuclear arsenal right now. Something else to think about. In an civil upheaval such as Huffpo contemplates (which is what I thought we were talking about), you can bet the Reds would try to keep control of the "football".

[lentulusgracchus]

....my 101 year old grandma could have kicked his behind .....

Pol Pot and Kheiu Samphan were even less impressive.

They got other people to do their killing for them.

[GonzoGOP]

In an civil upheaval such as Huffpo contemplates (which is what I thought we were talking about), you can bet the Reds would try to keep control of the "football".

My point in the original post is that that kind of war is unlikely to happen. In 1860 both sides thought it would be an easy war, with rules, and that they could control it. The finest people of Washington and Richmond came out in their carriages to watch the battle of Bull Run because they thought it would be a splendid show. They were wrong.

Civil wars almost invariably get out of control. There are over 10,000 nukes in the US and it is a fair bet that both sides will get some of them. And if we go to total war it is likely some will get used. And chemical weapons are easy to whip up. Lets hope it stops short of Bio, but I wouldn't put it past Obama and his friends. Very bad if you happen to live in a large city as they make good targets. Nuke the farmland, well the city folks don't want to eat radioactive or bio-contaminated food so they might try to take that in tact.

In the US Civil War both sides took from all causes a total of 1,148,000 fatalities. The 1860 census puts the free population of the US at just under 27.5 million. That works out to a total of 4.17% casualties as a percentage of population. Since over half the country never suffered the privations of having army's marched across it and the 1860 version of a WMD was a guy with a torch we should probably take that as an absolute minimum. Working out with today's population I would venture that the minimum fatalities in a Civil War fought today would be 12.8 million dead, and probably several times that many wounded.

The lucky cities will look like London. The average city like Berlin, and the really unlucky like Nagasaki. The economy will consist of bartering for chickens and grain. After that sort of thing people are not going to be worried about what's is on American Idol, or who is teaching political science at Princeton next semester.

As I said in my original post nobody should look forward to a Civil War. Losing a civil war is the worst fate known to man. Winning one is only slightly better.

[lentulusgracchus]

As I said in my original post nobody should look forward to a Civil War. Losing a civil war is the worst fate known to man. Winning one is only slightly better.

So if you really, really hate America, then .....

Got it.

[M Kehoe]

Two of the most popular liberal news sites are calling for violence against Republicans...

I'm against violence. I don't think anyone should harm anyone.

If someone wants to perpetrate violence against me, I just tell them that I'm insured. The policy is written by Smith and Wesson...amongst other well known companies.

See, be happy, don't worry...

5.56mm

[SlightOfTongue]

As I said in my original post nobody should look forward to a Civil War. Losing a civil war is the worst fate known to man. Winning one is only slightly better.

This would be more than a Civil War. More like an 'idealogical cleansing' or maybe an 'ethical cleansing' versus 'ethnic cleansing'. A few countries got rid of bad seeds, including dictator types, most of which weren't accomplished at the ballot box or by legislative efforts!

Good luck, Mack Daddy B.O. & company!

[GonzoGOP]

Thanks lentulusgracchus I just figured this all out. I couldn't figure out why Obama and the progressives would start a Civil War that they were so unlikely to win. I had chalked it up to failure to read history. But they don't care if they win since they only want to destroy the US. They don't need to win a Civil War, just start one. Now i need a beer.

[BigCinBigD]

“The question then becomes, what to do with the surrendered population?”

You don’t cut the cancer from a body only to put it back in later when the body is healthy. You kill the cancer.

[lentulusgracchus]

I couldn't figure out why Obama and the progressives would start a Civil War that they were so unlikely to win. .....But they don't care if they win since they only want to destroy the US. They don't need to win a Civil War, just start one.

Good point.

But re the first point, I just got through reading a historical recounting of the war between Julius Caesar and Pompey the Great in 49-46 (Pompey was killed in 48, a few weeks after Pharsalus, by the Egyptians).

One of the cards in Caesar's hand was his weakness on paper. It subverted the Republicans' opinion of his likely pace of operations, timing of his initial moves, and so on. He went after them with only a single legion under his immediate control, with a second understrength legion on the road to join him. Most of his army, about six legions, was still beyond the Alps in central and northern Gaul.

He drove the Republicans out of the City of Rome with next to nothing because they were unprepared. As soon as he broke their expectations, they had to flee, and then they panicked. He got the state treasury without a fight.

His faction, all second- and third-quality people, failures and adventurers and sons-of-nobody, was a definite minority in a population that did not want another civil war (having survived the civil wars and Social War of 30-40 years before, and the huge proscriptions that followed), but they won. They turned the corner in only 18 months and ran the table in three years.

So don't think they can't do it, particularly if they have a plan in mind and are resolved to take our country away from us by coup de main.