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1 posted on 03/24/2010 3:25:32 PM PDT by lmsii
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The federal government keeps the union together by force of arms. That was the lesson learned from the Civil War. A state has to remain within this specific union even if every resident in that state wanted to secede. As long as the federal government controls the army, much as Rome ruled by the loyalty of the military to Caesar, the imperial hegemony in Washington rules by force. If the military refused to enforce the POTUS’ orders, many states would leave and form a far better government than the one that we have now. Washington does not represent the wishes of the electorate in many states. Basically, five states determine the POTUS. Even if all 50 states decided to form their own government, Washington would not allow that to happen. We would have martial law declared throughout all 50 states and the leaders declared terrorists.


56 posted on 03/24/2010 4:15:05 PM PDT by Nosterrex
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There is the reasonable possibility of holding a constitutional convention, and right now, the States are moving in that direction. 34 States are needed to call a convention, and 38 States are needed to agree to a new draft constitution. This almost guarantees that the convention will not be radical.

The emphasis will be on “restoration”, not revolution. And once the 38 States have agreed to the draft constitution, the convention will remain seated until the changes have been made. Any federal official or officer who refuses to comply with their orders of a simple majority of the convention, will be relieved and replaced, be they the POTUS, federal judges, congressmen and senators, cabinet, military or police officers.

As needed, the convention may choose to abolish large parts of the federal government, renounce the national debt, recall military forces, etc. Among some of the major proposed changes, 200+ years of housecleaning:

Repeal of the 16th (Income Tax) and 17th (Direct Election of US Senators) Amendments of the constitution.

Flat Income Tax Amendment;

Balanced Budget Amendment;

Presidential Line Item Veto Amendment;

National Census Enumeration Only Amendment;

Personal Information and Records Limitation Amendment;

Corporate Civil Rights Distinct From The Civil Rights Of Living Persons Amendment; Oligopoly Antitrust Amendment;

Presidential War Powers and Posse Comitatus Amendments; Limitations on Presidential Authority To Declare Martial Law Amendment;

Presidential Authority Only Through Cabinet Officers, Appointment and Impeachment of Cabinet Officers Amendment; Term Limits for Recess Appointments;

Congressional Approval of Bureaucratic Regulatory Authority Amendment;

Creation of a State Appointed Constitutional Review Court Amendment (50 State Judges To Sit As a Federal Nullification Court);

Reorganization of Federal Judiciary Amendment;

Amendment for the Reduction of the Size and Authority of the Federal Government and Enabling Acts;

Writ of Mandamus Amendment;

Congressional and Judicial Term Limits Amendment;

Restoration of State Lands from Federal Land Takings and Limitations of Eminent Domain Amendment;

Delineation of a National Tribal Congress for Indigenous Peoples Amendment (renegotiation of treaties and integration of tribal and commercial law).

Limitations of Federal Intelligence and Police Authority, Surveillance and Records Retention Amendment;

Renunciation of the National Debt Amendment;

Abolition of the FED Amendment;

Prohibition of Federal Largess to Individuals Amendment;

Restrictions on Earmarks, Single Subject Congressional Act Amendment;

Abolition of Government Employee Unions Amendment;

While this list is not comprehensive, and there are some redundancies, each of these subjects are important enough to warrant the possibility of a constitutional amendment, or at least broad discussion, prior to consideration by the constitutional convention.


61 posted on 03/24/2010 4:21:09 PM PDT by yefragetuwrabrumuy
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The existing federal government would no longer exist. You would have a de facto constitutional convention that, just as the original convention in 1789, overstepped its apparent authority but was then ratified after the fact by the parties involved.

You wouldn't really need all 50 states, either. The middle section of the country could almost certainly secede en-masse, leaving the husks of the burnt-out liberal fascist state on the two left coasts to burn itself out (i.e., California and New York get omitted - California might be acceptable if it agreed to come in as several different, smaller states, perhaps having ceded some territory to other, more trustworthy states; New York would be acceptable so long as downstate - basically everything that constitutes the greater metropolitan sphere of influence of the Sodom and Gomorrah of NYC - is left to fend for itself). Massachusetts should probably not be invited in, either, although, again, the western part of the state might be unobjectionable provided that the greater Boston metropolitan area is jettisoned into the Atlantic.

Obamareich Standard, small version
82 posted on 03/24/2010 5:00:54 PM PDT by Oceander (The Price of Freedom is Eternal Vigilance -- Thos. Jefferson)
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it only takes 26. That is a pelosian majority


85 posted on 03/24/2010 5:05:27 PM PDT by bert (K.E. N.P. +12 . Ostracize Democrats. There can be no Democrat friends.)
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Bump for later


88 posted on 03/24/2010 5:07:50 PM PDT by sadamico (Can a state AG file a suit against the federal government for violating the US Constitution?)
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If you do...take the Constitution with you...they aren’t using it.
91 posted on 03/24/2010 5:13:18 PM PDT by Earthdweller (Harvard won the election again...so what's the problem.......?)
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You have way too much time on your hands.


117 posted on 03/25/2010 9:33:46 AM PDT by verity (Obama Lies)
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LOL!


123 posted on 03/26/2010 12:07:57 PM PDT by DallasSun (i believe in separation of church and hate.)
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