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To: P-Marlowe
Money quote:

the concept of liberty protects those personal rights that are fundamental, and is not confined to the specific terms of the Bill of Rights.

The key word here is RIGHTS. RIGHTS are not something that can be governed. We have a RIGHT to life. We have a RIGHT to liberty. We have a RIGHT to pursue happiness. PURSUE happiness. You may not catch it, but you will have the right to chase after that dream as hard as you want. That means the government is out of the equation. NO WHERE IN THE CONSTITUTION OR BILL OF RIGHTS is there ANYTHING that guarantees a RIGHT to health care. You're born, you have a right to live your life how you want to live it. If you decide to smoke, drink, do drugs and have sex with random strangers, that's up to you. The American citizens are not on the hook for the indiscretions of the indigent and criminal.

The government should serve to bolster business interests in the interest of the federal government's own coffers. No one is saying that the feds don't get theirs, but on our terms. They should be eating out of our hands, not the other way around!

12 posted on 03/24/2010 1:51:59 PM PDT by rarestia (It's time to water the Tree of Liberty.)
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To: rarestia; xzins; blue-duncan; wmfights; Forest Keeper
Actually I think this is the money quote:

They sought to protect Americans in their beliefs, their thoughts, their emotions and their sensations. They conferred, as against the Government, the right to be let alone -- the most comprehensive of rights and the right most valued by civilized men. "

16 posted on 03/24/2010 1:59:33 PM PDT by P-Marlowe (LPFOKETT GAHCOEEP-w/o*)
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To: rarestia

Agreed! Many mis-educated people confuse “rights” and “wants” these days.


73 posted on 03/24/2010 7:58:47 PM PDT by Frank_2001
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To: rarestia

Do we not also have rights under the 4th that are being denied to us under this bill?

The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by Oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized.

How am I secure in my person why the Gov now makes decisions for what I do with my own body on the most basic act of health care?

Since the bill also calls for access to our medical records, bank accounts and the ability to take monies out of said account without judicial review, I’d think we’d have a case on this.

To me this bill in effect repealed the 4th Amendment - and I do not believe there is a legislative body that can repeal any of the Bill of Rights through Amendment or law.


86 posted on 03/25/2010 5:09:31 AM PDT by Brytani (Good Morning Comrades!!! FUBO)
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To: rarestia

Excellent points. Someone pointed out (Tom Roeser, perhaps) that insurance is not a right, but a good. It’s a good thing to be insured against disasters of all kinds, including health disasters. This, unfortunately, is not what the “health care” bill is all about.


109 posted on 03/27/2010 9:36:22 PM PDT by ducdriver (judica me, Deus, et discerne causam meam de gente non sancta. (Ps. 42))
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