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To: Irisshlass

I’m gonna get flamed for this. But here goes anyway.

We are faced with a dilemma. There are millions of illegal aliens who came across our open borders, at some risk, to work like indentured servants in jobs that are so physically demanding that few citizens will perform them.

Many of these lawbreakers live in squalid conditions, do not have children, do not get medical, food or housing freebies. They work hard, yet live in fear while attempting to provide for their families in foreign countries.

They are outlaws because our *authority* to stop or remove them is non-existent.

A better solution would be to sponsor the good ones and teach them that this is a nation of laws and self-sufficiency. Persuade them to return to their native soil and come back legally.

What exactly are the sanctuary cities & Churches doing to help these people follow the law, become self-sufficient and live lives of freedom from fear?

Whatever happens - they and their children will eventually become Fellow Americans.


40 posted on 03/23/2010 1:34:02 PM PDT by sodpoodle (Despair - Man's surrender. Laughter - God's redemption.)
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To: sodpoodle

Nope. You’re ignoring the true issue.

It is about the law. We don’t get to pick and choose which laws we follow.

The Fed govt. has NOT been enforcing the immigration laws and there are some states where the majority of murders and roberries are committed by illegal aliens. This is unacceptable to Americans.

We must restore law and order by enforcing our laws or face the breakdown of our society.

Being compassionate and granting amnesty was done in the 1980s with the guarantee that better enforcement of immigration laws would result. It never happened.

Fool me once, shame on you. Fool us twice, shame on us.

There is nothing wrong with our immigration laws. These laws are no stricter than any other nation in this hemisphere. I want the people who come here to be true immigrants, willing to obey our laws and assimilate as U.S. citizens. Otherwise, they can take themselves and their families back to their country of origin because they’re not wanted here by the majority of the U.S. citizenry.


85 posted on 03/23/2010 3:55:51 PM PDT by SatinDoll (NO Foreign Nationals as our President!!)
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To: sodpoodle
I’m gonna get flamed for this. But here goes anyway. We are faced with a dilemma. There are millions of illegal aliens who came across our open borders, at some risk, to work like indentured servants in jobs that are so physically demanding that few citizens will perform them.

You are missing the point by such a wide margin it is hard to know where to begin, but I admire your guts for posting this.

When Consuela is in the stirrups sweating and panting, in order to squeeze out her 5th kid that costs 5k in ob/gyn fees that is not reimbursed. Taxpayers pick that up in addition to the 20k they already paid to bring Julio, Hector, Ernesto, Maria and Manuel.

Than we as taxpayers have to pay 19k per kid to educate them in pubic skools. That's 95k per year + special ed for English as a second language.

Net result = That cheap $35 cut of your lawn really cost you $2,600.

95 posted on 03/23/2010 4:45:28 PM PDT by Eric Blair 2084 (Beware of the Socialist Government-Academia Grant Junkie-Rich "non-profit"-Liberal Media Complex)
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To: sodpoodle

kumbaya, yada yada yada

Life is full of hard choices my friend. In this case the necessary course of action is to pack them up and ship them back.

Destroying this country and its economy will not benefit these people in the long run.

Do you really care about their future, and the future of those like them from where they came? Then you send them back, make America strong and prosperous. That prosperity will spread and benefit these other countries.

Do you have any idea of what the world would be like had the USA not existed to spread its prosperity? The US was the game breaker in WW2 and the US rebuilt the world after WW2. The socialist “democracies” of Europe were built with US resources. Resources that would not have existed had we been like them.

Not flaming you. Just pointing out that you are terribly wrong on this. The world desperately needs a free and prosperous USA. This is not the way to make that happen.

And BTW, that is a myth that they do the work citizens won’t do. Been dis-proven over and over.


106 posted on 03/23/2010 6:23:29 PM PDT by ChildOfThe60s (If you can remember the 60s, you weren't really there.)
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To: sodpoodle

This isn’t a flame - more of a correction. The argument that millions of illegal aliens are here to work at jobs that few American citizens will do is a crock. It’s been established by credible sources that the presence of illegal immigrants prevents American citizens who want to work from getting those jobs. The companies that employ illegals are the problem - not the American workers.

I’m thinking of an article that I saw... Good. I found it. It was in 2006 in the Washington Post [http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2006/apr/10/20060410-123506-1297r/], and the point of the article was that an Alabama contract company sent “...workers — whom she described as U.S. citizens, residents of Alabama and predominantly black — had been ‘urgently requested’ by contractors hired to rebuild and clear devastated areas of the state, but were told to leave three job sites when the foreign workers showed up.”

The best solution would be to ship every illegal alien to his or her home country, with lifetime bars on their ever returning under any type of visa, and then to penalize employers who have continued to hire them. If they are truly committed to freedom, better that those hard-working citizens exercise their work ethic and commitment to effect democratic change in their own countries than take jobs away from unemployed Americans in ours.

And as far as what sanctuary cities and churches are doing here? Why not support churches and other organizations that promote freedom and democracy in other countries, so that the benefits of freedom and liberty can be enjoyed by all of those citizens?

Just a question.


117 posted on 03/24/2010 12:35:12 PM PDT by lawyerchik1 ("Only a virtuous people are capable of freedom." - Benjamin Franklin)
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