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To: El Gran Salseron

The President’s Veto can be overridden by a 2/3rds vote of both House and Senate.

We can neuter the ‘shoeshine boy’ if we can take that many seats in both houses.

Although, I think the Amendments most needed are ones that limit the Federal government’s abilities to tax and spend. The 16th Amendment was passed on the ASSUMPTION that the initial income tax rate of 1% was it, but the Amendment was not written to include the percentage. I think a new Amendment should be written to say that the maximum tax rate on income cannot exceed 10% and no personal income can be excluded, nor expenses deducted or tax credited. Whatever the rate is, it must apply equally to all persons and to all sources of income.

Another Amendment needed because the Founders never considered it possible to spend as we have, would be to Constitutionally limit spending to a maximum of 20% of the prior year’s GDP or actual tax revenue, whichever is less.


20 posted on 03/18/2010 1:33:27 AM PDT by Kellis91789 (Democrat: Someone who supports killing children, but protests executing convicted murderers.)
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To: Kellis91789

Can’t go along on this one, friend. John Jay states, “The power to tax is the power to destroy.” Washingrad needs no such power. We fought Great Britain over a 2-cent tax on tea. The income tax was proposed by Lincoln and found unconstitutional by the Supreme Court. The only way they could make it Constitutional was to sew it on as an amendment. If the income tax were already legal and Constitutional, no amendmnet would have been necessary, would it? The fact of the Amendment is an argument for its own illegitimacy. WITHOUT AN INCOME TAX, the United States fought a revolution, secured its independence, defeated Mexico and Spain, ended slavery, built the tranconctinental railroad, wired the nation for telegraph and became a world power. What that Washingrad does with your income tax money is it, exactly, that they need to be doing? This country had ZERO income tax from 1607 to 1913 and did alright. The trouble with the fair tax is that it’s a tax to which Washingrad still has no right. Tax = “the power to destroy”. What is a “Fair Power to Destroy”?

Only since 1913 has Washingrad had the unlimited funds to create the monstrosity that sits astride the Potomac this day. I say it’s time we cut off their allowance. If they want money, let them do what the rest of us do-—produce something or get a real job.


41 posted on 03/18/2010 4:44:36 PM PDT by Xottamoppa
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To: Kellis91789

Strictly speaking anther amendment is not needed, the problem is the federal government has chosen to ignore the constitution including the treason they are committing in levying in waging war against the States (to keep them from enforcing the constitutional limitations on the Federal power upon them the Federal Government.)

The only way to get theses officials to just leave us alone for any short time is to pass anther amendment basically making it clear to them what the original function and powers were.

But of course they will honor that no longer then they honored their limitations the last time in the original constitution, probably less time.

As I said before, the fundamental problem is practicably thou the military as they demonstrated in the “Civil War” the Federal government has obtained the authority to interpret the extent of their own authority to the exclusion of the consent of the governed states.

This should not have happen but for a large number of reasons it did, and as a direct result of that the Federal government has found that it can erode its respect for its won limited to the point where we are now where the same government practically has no limits. That means no Constitution peroid!

You go back and read about what we were originally and all the fears about how government could act tyrannically and most all of them things are already long past true of this Federal government.

It has assumed effectively unrestricted power, this Health-care bill yet anther is a blatant demonstration of that fact! Our Constitution is for all intensive proposes dead because there is no interested party both able and willing to party protect and enforce it honestly.

A lot of people at this point actually disagree with many of the limitations of the Federal constitution we have gotten so uses to ignoring them in the development of our policy!

This is not new this has been practically the case for at least a 100 years, and its just been getting worse and worse. Conservatives wishing to retain our Constitutional federal republic HAVE BEEN LOSING badly!

There is not a lot left of our Federal constitutional republic still functioning after more then a 100 years of growing disregard...

The Federal government has little to no interest in limiting their own power not the the congress not the president and not the court.
This is not a theoretical truth, this is a repeatedly demonstrated fact again, and again, made clear over our history in their actions and judgments! this is easily proven by a comparison between what we have now in terms of Federal power and what we had when hoses powers were supposedly authorized, as well as what we were granting of those’s powers on the basis of what was being asked of us in things like the Federalist papers.

If a Constitutional system is going to work the Government bound by that Constitution CANNOT be in the position of being the sole or final interpreter and/or enforcer of that constitution!

Thats a clearly self-defeating conflict of interest, we know this not only in practice of the last 100+ years but in logic!


46 posted on 03/18/2010 7:48:27 PM PDT by Monorprise
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