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To: marktwain

I really don’t see “shall issue” states and residents having a problem with a CCW license. As a Florida CCW I do not mind having training and a background check. Also knowing others have done the same. I believe that CCW in the early years of this country was considered “hiding something”...open carry was acceptable and the norm. So having a CCW permit is “fair” as long as it is a “shall issue” upon request. Rules, like those in NJ, WI and IL are without a doubt Unconstitutional because the right is flat out denied.


5 posted on 03/16/2010 7:08:34 AM PDT by mikelets456
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To: mikelets456
As a Florida CCW I do not mind having training and a background check.

Fine. Make it voluntary for those like you.

9 posted on 03/16/2010 7:45:41 AM PDT by paul51 (11 September 2001 - Never forget)
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To: mikelets456
Sorry, but requiring a permit, whether shall or may issue, is unconstitutional. You want training? Go get it, no one is stopping you. Criminals don't take CCW classes, they carry without a permit.

Requiring a permit is an infringement on keeping and bearing arms, therefore it is unconstitutional. You are correct on one thing, carrying concealed used to be frowned upon and open carry was the norm, but nanny staters managed to brain wash enough of the public to the point many of them have screaming fits if they see a gun, so now open carry is considered, by many, to be "bad".

CCWs are BS. Did you know there is one state that doesn't require a permit to carry? You didn't? don't feel bad, most people don't know that. Look it up.

10 posted on 03/16/2010 7:46:43 AM PDT by calex59
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"Also knowing others have done the same."

You're kidding, right?

11 posted on 03/16/2010 7:56:26 AM PDT by Niteranger68 (Barack Obama is Osama bin Laden's relief pitcher.)
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To: mikelets456
"I believe that CCW in the early years of this country was considered “hiding something”...open carry was acceptable and the norm."

I think that with a bit more investigation you may find this to not be entirely factual. While it was generally understood that farmers, frontiersman, and travelers would be openly armed, it was considered by the genteel to be boorish to openly bear.

It was primarily a fear of uppity negroes that drove concealed carry laws and while the laws had existed in the South, they did not for the most part spread North until freed slaves openly moved North.

CCW was and always will be about controlling the masses.

It was, is, and in various other ways always will be racist.

It was and is, like almost all of the laws offensive to liberty, another fine legislative product of the Democrat party.

19 posted on 03/16/2010 9:33:33 AM PDT by gnarledmaw (Obama: Evincing a Design since 2009)
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