'Jerusalem construction will go on'

Despite R. Shlomo crisis, PM says Israel will continue to build in all parts of the capital.

While the United States continued to criticize Israel over an east Jerusalem housing project approved during US Vice President Joe Biden's visit to Israel least week, Prime Minister Binyamin Netanyahu on Monday said construction in the capital would continue as usual.

"Construction in Jerusalem will continue in any part of the city as it has during the last 42 years," Netanyahu stressed at the Likud faction meeting.

"In the past 40 years, there was no government that limited construction in any Jerusalem area or neighborhood," Netanyahu said. "Establishing Jewish neighborhoods did not hurt Jerusalem's Arab residents and was not at their expense."

The prime minister said Israel was committed to the 10-month building moratorium in the West Bank.

In the US, however, Israel's Ambassador to Washington Michael Oren said the crisis over the approval of 1,600 new housing units in the Ramat Shlomo neighborhood was "the worst since 1975."

Earlier Monday, at the Labor faction meeting, Defense Minister Ehud Barak also referred to the crisis with Washington, saying that "the government must work so the crisis will be forgotten and the talks get back on track," and explaining how he was working to decrease the tensions.

"I just had a meeting at the Knesset with Fred Hoff, aide to [US special Mideast envoy George] Mitchell, an American diplomat who has been working with us for many years, as well as with US Ambassador to Israel James Cunningham."

Barak told the faction that, "we discussed the necessary steps and possible ways to abate the recent tensions and resume the negotiations with the Palestinians."

The negotiations, Barak said, are "supremely needed and are an issue that Labor believes in. It's one of the reasons we are in the government."

You were saying ...

Maybe some (very few) anti-dispensation Protestants, but not Bible believing Christians. They’re a minority. If you live in this country you should know it.

No, all the "anti-dispensationalists" Christians (as you put it), pretty much across the board (except for a minority, which may not), will deny the Rapture, the coming Kingdom on this earth and that Israel is any longer significant to God in future prophecies and that Israel has forfeited its promises and rights to those, because of their disobedience and that the church is not the recipients (and holder) of those promises of God.

They view that the church has replaced Israel and that Israel is no longer significant and that only the church is significant, in the place of Israel.

And no... these "anti's" (as you put it) are not actually in the minority... they are in the majority. So, I would be counting "votes" for support of this position. Because "by vote" you would lose among all the Christians.

This country has a larger percentage than the rest of the world, but they are not a majority.

Maybe some Catholics, but not Bible Believing Christians.

What I said was the teaching of the Catholic Church in that the church has replaced Israel in regards to the promises of God and that it is the recipient of the Kingdom of God and not Israel. They would teach that the church has replaced Israel in regards to that -- and they will reject, in their teachings that Israel will have a Kingdom here on earth and that Israel will rule over all the other nations in the world, and that we, as Christians will support Israel in the Messiah's reign, seated on the earthly throne of David, in His rule over all the nations of the world.

Now, any good Catholic will follow what their church teaches. If you find Catholics who reject the teachings of their church, then you've got a Catholic who is out of touch with what their church teaches them. Those who reject these teachings of the church, in regards to Israel, are not a majority in the Catholic Church. They will not be supported by the Church in their rejection of Catholic Church doctrine, and neither will they be supported by other Catholics in the rejection of Catholic Church doctrine in relation to Israel.

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America will be against Israel, you’re right about that but that’ll come after the saints are raptured out, I believe.

It's already been moving that way. If any Christian support any negotiations with the Palestinians and/or them having their own state, and rejects Israel taking over all the land and all the territories and incorporating it all into the State of Israel and rejects dispossesing all the Muslim Palestinians back to their ancestral lands and not giving them a place to live in Israel -- is not supporting Israel.

President Bush pushed for the establishment of a state for Palestinians andt the U.S. has pushed for those negotiations (to end up there finally for that other state for the Palestinians, from the beginning, of the Oslo Accords). And many Americans and Christians support that position of President Bush, in regards to Israel and granting that state to the Palestinians.

So, it's already been going that way for quite a while as it is, right now...

And in regards to the Rapture, once all the Christians have been removed from this earth, and there is no more support from those of the Dispensationalist segment of Christians, then there will be no more support for Israel in the world or in the U.S. and things will move almost immediately into the Tribulation period of 7 years, just prior to the Messiah of Israel coming back to earth to set up the Kingdom over this earth. And that's when the Antichrist makes his appearance.

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I just don’t believe it’s the majority. Not for a second. It’s a majority in D.C. for certain, from Clinton to Bush.

All you have to find out, to see that it's a majority, is to look at it from the two standpoints of the secular and the religious.

From the secular standpoint, just find out who supports a two-state solution for Israel to live in peace with its Palestinian neighbors.

And then find out who supports a "one state solution" in which the Palestinians must leave and not be part of Israel, and Israel takes over all the land (and that's the only Biblical position, as God doesn't have any "two-state solutions" for Israel, doncha know... LOL ...).

You'll find that hardly anyone (in the secular world) is for a one-state solution in which Israel takes over the entire land, and all the territories and it's all for Israeli citizens -- [And don't think Israel is going to allow Muslim terrorists to live as citizens in a "one-state solution" either... because that's guaranteed destruction of Israel, right there...], and drives out the Palestinians back to their own ancestral lands.

Most all support "land for peace" and "dividing the land" -- which the Bible absolutely condemns. I don't call this "support for Israel" -- but it appears that you do...

And then, in the religious area, go to all the denominations and churches and Catholic church and find out who teaches that Israel is still significant, prophetically in God's plan and that it will rule over all the nations, in the Millennial Kingdom, with the Messiah seated on the throne of David.

You'll find that this is a minority of those Christian denominations and churches and especially so with the Catholic Church, too. You will find that a great majority support the teaching that Israel is no longer the recipient of the promises of God and that the "church" is the "new Israel" and that Israel has been replaced by the church and that the "church" is the one who will rule over all the nations of the world -- and not the nation of Israel who will rule over all the nations of the world.

So, the support for Israel is in the minority in both the secular world and in the religious world.

And soon, that support will be "non-existent" for Israel and it will be all alone in all the nations of the world, with them all against Israel.

You were saying ...

I didn’t say you did not support Israel, I said I don’t see how you can think the majority doesn’t support Israel. I live in Ok too and I’ve yet to meet a “Christian” who doesn’t support Israel (Whether they’re Neo-evangelical, Presbyterian, or Baptist, Pre, Mid, or Post, or A-mil).

I think I clarified "support for Israel" is not dividing the land -- as God absolutely condemns that. If anyone is for dividing the land -- they're not in support of Israel. It's a "fake support" -- as God condemns that and calls it a "pact with death"... and God is absolutely outraged by it.

So, all you have to do is start finding out who "really" supports Israel and who does not support Israel, by finding out who is for keeping Israel all one land and for the Jews (and not for Muslims or the terrorists, living there, either [don't ever think that Israel will ever agree to Muslim terrorists given equal status with Jews inside the State of Israel, that will never happen; that's why Israel hasn't annexed the territories yet.]).

Once you start finding out that, you'll find out that many do not support Israel and go against what God find (by His statements in the Bible) is a "pact with death" and the "dividing of the land" -- both abominations to God.

What you find is people for Israel dividing the land, giving part to the Palestinians and part to Israel and letting the Palestinians and Israel "live in peace" with one another -- and that is the "pact of death" that God is talking about.

That's not support for Israel. That's support for the destruction of Israel.

Furthermore, these people who do not believe in the coming Kingdom of the Messiah with Israeli nation ruling over all the other nations in the world, with the Messiah seated on the Throne of David -- those who do not believe -- will always seek the "solutions" of a "political nature" and try to get Israel and its neighbors to live in peace with one another -- and that produces not the peace for Israel but the destruction of Israel, with the Antichrist in charge (which the Messiah puts a stop to it, when He comes, though).

All those who deny the Bible in what it says about Israel in this regard, do not follow God in His promises in a "real world solution" either. They look for the "dividing of the land" and for the "living in peace" with the Palestinian Muslims and terrorists over there.

That's not support for Israel. That's support for the destruction of Israel.

Everything you say about Eschatology is true, as far as I can tell but you’re wrong about the number of people in present Christianity who’s abandoned Israel. The Catholics? I think they’re divided along party lines on that.

If a person supports the dividing of the land of Israel and peace and accomodation with the Palestinians and those terrorists who rule and live over there, they are supporting the destruction of the State of Israel, not supprting it. God condemns it and all who support Israel need to condemn it, too.

I don't find those people who support the unified State of Israel and getting rid of the Palestinians and Muslims over there in the so-called "occupied territories". I only find accommodation which leads to the abomination that God calls the "pact with death" and that God strongly condemns.

That's not what I call support for Israel. That's support for the destruction of Israel.

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I don’t know any real Christian who supports that.

You quoted that from the secular part of my statement and that does apply for that section that most all support the dividing of the land in order to give the Palestinians their own state.

But, for the religious part I also pointed out the Christians who support the dividing of the land, too... Note my statement...

And then, in the religious area, go to all the denominations and churches and Catholic church and find out who teaches that Israel is still significant, prophetically in God's plan and that it will rule over all the nations, in the Millennial Kingdom, with the Messiah seated on the throne of David.

You'll find that this is a minority of those Christian denominations and churches and especially so with the Catholic Church, too. You will find that a great majority support the teaching that Israel is no longer the recipient of the promises of God and that the "church" is the "new Israel" and that Israel has been replaced by the church and that the "church" is the one who will rule over all the nations of the world -- and not the nation of Israel who will rule over all the nations of the world.

And there is where you'll find the Christians who support that. And when you add up those denominations for the numbers of Christians that they have in them, you'll find a majority of Christians are there.

You'll find numerous Christians here on Free Republic who also reject that Israel has any significance in God's prophetic plan and say that the church has replaced Israel. So, you get them right here on Free Republic, too.

You may not know those Christians, and within the circles you run in, that may be true. But, they are there and by their denomination numbers they are a large group and they do form the majority of Christians.

And furthermore, historically speaking, they've also formed the majority of the Christians from past centuries, too.

You present very odd speculations.

No..., that's precisely where Israel's right to the land comes from. That's why you ask that. If the right doesn't exist from that land grant from God, then one can politically bargain it away in global power politics, just like has been done with many countries, over the centuries (and is obviously being done here with Israel, presently).

So, again, the right to the land is based on the fact that God gave it to them forevermore, as the Bible says. Other than that -- Israel has no more right to the land, than any other person and their family who happened to move in there and live there. In fact, Muslims would say that Israel has no right to the land at all, and that they should be removed from it.

If God has not granted them title deed to the land of Israel, per the borders that He proclaimed, then apart from that, the Muslims will most likely succeed in driving the Jews out of the land (they've got more numbers there than the Jews do).

And if God has not granted the Jews the title deed to the land of Israel, as God defined it for them in the Bible, then the Muslims have their religious claims on the land of Israel, in that for them, they are required to take back all the land that was once under Muslim control (any time in the past) as a religious imperative for all Muslims. And the Muslims will continue doing that, per their Muslim clains, until all Jews are eliminated.

Either it's based on the title deed to the land for Israel, or the Muslims are entitled to it by their own religious claims.

AND... the reason why you ask that kind of question in a poll, is that this tells you who is really supporting Israel, because the only basis of any support that Israel can have for the land of Israel, is from the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob, granting them title deed to this land forever.

Otherwise, with the way the Muslims are pushing the West, with the terrorism that they continue to foster and that precisely because Israel is "occupying Muslim lands" (as they say) -- with over a billion Muslims around, plus the fact that many are oil producing nations, the West will cave to their demands eventually. The U.S. is already doing it and has been caving for a while.

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