No James, I for one do not understand.
Here’s the problem: If BHO II were born in the USSR in 1961 to a Soviet father serving in the govt of the USSR and an American Citizen mother AND BHO II resided in the USSR for all but 14 years of his life, he would still be a US “Citizen at Birth” simply because his mother was a US citizen.
Obama, in this situation, would NOT be a “naturalized citizen.” He would not require “naturalization” b/c he was born to an American citizen mother and thus is/was automatically a US Citizen at Birth.
Therefore, IF there are only 2 citizenship classifications — citizen at birth and naturalized citizen — then there must be classifications within “citizen at birth”, ie., NBC and some other type(s) of “citizen at birth” which is defined. . .and in fact, “citizen at birth” is defined as several different citizenships some including birth on foreign soil.
Per the authors of the 14th Amendment, Article II was not touched nor changed, in any way, by the 14th Amendment.
Obviously, the kid born to a Soviet Father & an American mother, even if he were trained as a communist/soviet most of his life, would STILL be a “Citizen of the US at Birth.”
Clearly, it would be a serious “national security” risk for the US to have a President (even if a US Citizen at birth) who was trained as a communist by a Soviet communist system whose father worked in the govt of the USSR regardless. The fact that one of his parents, ie., mother was a US citizen (born or naturalized) when the child was born, i.e., Obama, is irrelevant. He had ONE parent who was not a US Citizen. That’s a very significant fact that has been lost in this discussion.
Obama’s father did, in fact, work or the Kenyan Govt and was exclusively loyal only to Kenya.
Therefore, based on your reasoning, wouldn’t Obama technically be a NBC of BOTH the US & GB? People seem to ignore Obama’s other citizenship statuses. I’m wondering WHY that is?
Here’s what the American people do NOT know about Obama even now: We do NOT KNOW Obama’s CURRENT citizenship status.
IS Obama CURRENTLY still a British Citizen/Subject? Did he EVER lose his British citizenship? Yours and others reasoning is that Obama never lost his US Citizenship even if adopted in Indonesia. Okay, fine. How about his BRITISH citizenship. Did he ever lose his British citizenship?
We know he lost his Kenyan citizenship in the 1980s b/c he admitted it. But he NEVER said a word about his BRITISH citizenship.
IS Obama STILL a British Subject/citizen, NOW as POTUS? The American people do not KNOW the answer to that question. Why not?
Also, IS Obama CURRENTLY (or was he ever) a Citizen of Indonesia? The answer to that basic question about candidate Obama and President Obama was (and is still) DENIED to the American people. I’m wondering WHY? And I find that FACT very disturbing. What’s going on in our country. WHY — and who has the power to deny us this very basic information about ANY candidate for the single most powerful position in the US Govt.
If the American people can be denied such basic SIMPLE information, what ELSE is being hidden from us?
Why don’t we even KNOW the answers to these questions and WHY won’t ANYONE talk about it OR PERMIT it to be discussed on the PUBLIC airwaves?
This is one colossal COVER-UP. It makes Watergate look like nothing.
Something is VERY wrong when the American people don’t even know what the CURRENT and FULL citizenship status is of a sitting “president.”
What kind of ELECTIONS are being run in the US today? Seriously. Are the American people SO ignorant and apathetic that we don’t even REQUIRE that our POTUS candidates supply even BASIC information and records that can substantiate WHO they are?
And . . .Yah, I did put “president” in quotes b/c I am not sure IF Obama is legally The President of the United States b/c he’s hiding SO much and simply refuses to answer SIMPLE basic questions about himself. Although, he’s not totally at fault. He’s been PERMITTED to HIDE a great deal by a horrifyingly COMPLICIT media/press (both liberal and conservative). WHY?
What about the Marie Eig SCOTUS case? The court had no trouble identifying Eig as a NBC b/c both of her parents were US citizens at the time of her birth and she was born in the USA.
Wong Kim Ark also stated that the ONLY definition of NBC that ALL recognize as true is: Born on US soil to 2 US citizen parentS. ALL other possible definitions are speculative. The burden of proof is therefore on OBAMA to prove that HE is a NBC of the US. it’s really not on us to prove he is not a NBC. he must prove b/c HE is the one who SAID he was a NBC when there is NO CASE that definitively defines HIS citizenship (mult-citizenship AT BIRTH) as being that of a NBC.
EIG is an important case too and obviously so. Wong Kim Ark is a problem for those who would declare that Obama is a NBC of the US. SCOTUS only declared Ark to be a US Citizen and we can all agree on that identification. It’s pretty easy— Wong Kim was born on US soil. He’s a citizen. IS he a NBC? NO b/c the COURT REFUSED, specifically, to say IN THEIR DECISION ON THE ACTUAL MATTER that Wong Kim was a NBC. The court REFUSED to say so b/c THEY didn’t have the VOTES to say so.
Again, the 14th Amendment did not change, did not define, did not address in any way Article II. And, NO statute can overrule an Article of the US Constitution. It can only be changed by Amendment. . .and there has NEVER been such an amendment.
Its’ TIME for SCOTUS to define clearly the definition of NBC. Obama, however, knows the definition. It is ALREADY PRECEDENT. With the exception of CAArther, ALL prior POTUS’s born after ratification of the US Const. have ALL had 2 US Citizen parents & been born in the US.
Stare Decisis DOES exist in PRACTICE — in that all presidents prior to Obama did know exactly what NBC meant & means. Obama is the FIRST POTUS in US History (born post 1789) to have MULTIPLE citizenships — US and a FOREIGN nation. This SHOULD BE A NO-BRAINER that the POTUS cannot have multiple citizenships. So WHY THE SILENCE on this OVERTLY serious matter? Blows my mind.
This truly is a national security matter. Again, we cannot, obviously, have a POTUS & Commander-in-Chief of the most powerful fighting force this world has ever known . . . who holds currently, or ever held, DUAL or TRI-citizenship — having been or currently a citizen of the US and a FOREIGN country.
VERY serious is this matter re: WHETHER Obama is legally/constitutionally the President of the United States. SOMETHING serious is going on.
This is a serious cover-up. Question is WHY? . .and WHO is behind it? And HOW can every news agency be SILENCED on such a basic and SIMPLE question: Mr. Obama, are you NOW or have you EVER BEEN a Citizen of Indonesia? Mr. Obama, are you NOW still a citizen of Great Britain?
In addition, the American People CANNOT elect whomever we please. We TOO are constricted by the US Constitution. We TOO may only elect a person to be POTUS who is a NBC with 14 yrs residency and 35 yrs of age. PERIOD.
Therefore, it CANNOT BE an unknown re: whether Obama is a NBC. The American people MUST know that information b/c we are forbidden from electing anyone who is not a NBC of the US.
Here’s a link to the law of the land. Read it for yourself and decide for yourself how it applies to your examples:
http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/8/1401.html
The interpretations of the 14th Amendment by the courts have taken the word “ALL” in the 14th Amendment seriously. “ALL persons” has been interpreted to include people who would run for or be elected president and vice president.
Where a person is born and raised has no bearing on whether he is an agent of a foreign government or not. Two of the most damaging spies in American history, who were CIA and FBI agents with top secret security clearances were people who could have run for president. Robert Hanssen of the FBI was born in Chicago to two parents who were likewise citizens-at-birth and Aldrich Ames of the CIA was born and raised in River Falls, Wisconsin to two American parents. He could also have run for president.
The way US law works is that minor children who inherit foreign citizenship by virtue of their parents’ status are not penalized with regard to their US citizenship in any way.
When Barack Obama Jr. was born on Aug. 4,1961, Kenya was a British colony. As a Kenyan native, the father, Barack Obama Sr. was a British subject whose citizenship status was governed by The British Nationality Act of 1948. That same act governed the status of Obama Sr.’s children:
“British Nationality Act of 1948 (Part II, Section 5): Subject to the provisions of this section, a person born after the commencement of this Act shall be a citizen of the United Kingdom and Colonies by descent if his father is a citizen of the United Kingdom and Colonies at the time of the birth.”
In other words, at the time of his birth, Barack Obama Jr. was both a U.S. citizen and a citizen of the United Kingdom and Colonies by virtue of being born to a father who was a citizen of the United Kingdom and Colonies.
Obama’s British citizenship was short-lived. On Dec. 12, 1963, Kenya formally gained its independence from the United Kingdom. Chapter VI, Section 87 of the Kenyan Constitution specifies that:
“1. Every person who, having been born in Kenya, is on 11th December, 1963 a citizen of the United Kingdom and Colonies or a British protected person shall become a citizen of Kenya on 12th December, 1963...”
2. Every person who, having been born outside Kenya, is on 11th December, 1963 a citizen of the United Kingdom and Colonies or a British protected person shall, if his father becomes, or would but for his death have become, a citizen of Kenya by virtue of subsection (1), become a citizen of Kenya on 12th December, 1963.
As a citizen of the United Kingdom and Colonies who was born in Kenya, Obama’s father automatically received Kenyan citizenship via subsection (1). So given that Obama qualified for citizen of the United Kingdom and Colonies status at birth and given that Obama’s father became a Kenyan citizen via subsection (1), it follows that Obama did in fact have Kenyan citizenship after 1963.
But the Kenyan Constitution prohibits dual citizenship for adults. Kenya recognizes dual citizenship for children, but Kenya’s Constitution specifies that at age 23, Kenyan citizens who possesses citizenship in more than one country automatically lose their Kenyan citizenship unless they formally renounce any non-Kenyan citizenship and swear an oath of allegiance to Kenya.
Since Obama has neither renounced his U.S. citizenship nor sworn an oath of allegiance to Kenya, his Kenyan citizenship automatically expired on Aug. 4,1984.
Two courts thus far have actually ruled on whether Obama is a Native Born Citizen or not, an Indiana District Court and the Indiana Court of Appeals. Indiana’s higher court’s decision is available for you to read here. Please scroll to page 10 of their decision and read Section B: “Native Born Citizen” for the court’s rationale. They use the 14th Amendment and US v Wong Kim Ark as the basis for their decision.
http://www.in.gov/judiciary/opinions/pdf/11120903.ebb.pdf
Certainly the Ankeny et. al. decision can be appealed to the Indiana Supreme Court and then on up the ladder through the federal judiciary but thus far, that hasn’t happened.
The appropriate time to investigate all these issues was before Vice President Cheney counted and certified Obama’s electoral college votes. The law provides for any one Senator and any one member of the House to submit written challenges to the ceritification of the electoral college votes. Those two written challenges would have triggered an automatic investigation in both Houses of Congress into the reasons for the challenges. No one submitted any written challenges to Obama receiving Electoral College votes.
At this point in time, Obama’s birth records can still be subpoenaed by a “court order from a court of competent jurisdiction” under Hawaii law but no one has sought a subpoena for Obama’s birth records to probe whether there was forgery or fraud.