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To: jamese777
You’ve got it wrong, yet again and we’re going around in rhetorical circles. The reason that the citations don’t specifically mention “natural born citizen” is because the term “natural” has been folded in to the terms “born citizen” or “citizen at birth” since the ratification of the 14th Amendment.

This is false. You're misconstruing your citations as saying something they don't.

THERE IS NO UNITED STATES STATUTE THAT DEFINES THE TERM “NATURAL BORN CITIZEN,” ....

Sorry, but you're contradicting yourself. You go from saying that it's been folded into the 14th amendment, to saying that it's not defined. You can't have it both ways. I've already explained that Minor (and WKA) have said the definition is extraconsitutional. It CAN'T be defined by statute, but instead only by a specific Constitutional amendment. Otherwise, we are still bound by the same common law definition found in six different Supreme Court cases. Obama is not a natural born citizen ... period.

412 posted on 03/17/2010 9:30:59 AM PDT by edge919
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To: edge919

Its funny that people are more than willing to recite English law, and apply that to US law, although its not in the constitution. Yet Vattel, who is in the constitution as “Law of Nations” is noted, who clearly defines what Natural Born is, with no ambiguity, cannot be accepted.


What is obvious, is that the framers of the constitution could not comprehend that people, at any time in the future would NOT recognize that a natural born person is born in the USA from parents born or naturalized in the USA, per Article II, Section 1, Clause 5 of the Constitution.

Section 1401 Title 8, further defines people who are Natural Born Citizens at Birth. There is a single exception: “Subject to Jurisdiction”. The only proviso Obama could possibly fall under is:

•Anyone born inside the United States * the exception applies here:

* There is an exception in the law — the person must be “subject to the jurisdiction” of the United States. This would exempt the child of a diplomat, for example, from this provision.

Obama fails this provision at NBC status, because his father is a Subject of the British Crown. At the time, Dual Citizenship was not allowed by Great Britan, Of course Obama Sr was born in Kenya, a Protectorate of Great Britan.

This is in conflict with your statement and in agreement with your detractor. The existence of the term NBC is in the constitution. There is no historical disagreement that the Law of Nations, by Vattel was a reference document used in the framing of the Constitution, or that the words “Law of Nations” is coined in the Constitution itself.

The 14th Ammendment to the Constitution defines who is a citizen, but further differentiation is required to define who is a citizen, and who is a Natural Born Citizen.

This is necessary to define for one single purpose, that of defining who is qualified under the Constitution to be President of the United States, and for no other reason.

Further, the supplied Section/Title amplifies who can be a Natural Born Citizen at birth. It is clear that NO PERSON can BECOME an NBC, you must be born to it. Everyone else is a citizen, or is provided a process to become a citizen.

One can be President, the other cannot.


414 posted on 03/17/2010 12:38:53 PM PDT by etraveler13
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To: edge919

Sorry, but you’re contradicting yourself. You go from saying that it’s been folded into the 14th amendment, to saying that it’s not defined. You can’t have it both ways. I’ve already explained that Minor (and WKA) have said the definition is extraconsitutional. It CAN’T be defined by statute, but instead only by a specific Constitutional amendment. Otherwise, we are still bound by the same common law definition found in six different Supreme Court cases. Obama is not a natural born citizen ... period.


Barack Obama is the duly elected and sworn in 44th President of the United States, PERIOD.
Let’s review, shall we?
The state of Hawaii has confirmed his birth in that state. The US Supreme Court has refused to look at any challenges to his eligibility, the entire Republican Congressional delegation invited him to their Winter Retreat and asked him no questions about his eligibility, 64 different lawsuits have failed to render a verdict for any plaintiff challenging his eligibility, every bill that he has signed into law is in force, he carries the nuclear football with the launch codes to every nuclear missile in the US arsenal, he has Secret Service protection, and he has ordered 30,000 additional troops to Afghanistan. That sounds pretty “presidential” to me!
If you want to get rid of him, defeat him at the polls in 2012.


415 posted on 03/17/2010 1:16:49 PM PDT by jamese777
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